No, BEC is the mechanism where gamma radiation is thermalized. Come to thing of it, that U232 experiment is one in which 2,2 MeV gamma's where shielded. So I will give you that as a BEC experiment.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been trying to be less partisan, so I will simply say -- maybe. I > don't deny that LENR happens in nature, I just don't think everything weird > in nature happens because of BEC formation that has no precedent in any > work done on BEC. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any of them that does not produce gamma radiation is producing a BEC. For >> example, a spark produces a cloud of nanoparticles in which a polariton >> condensate is formed. In the instant when transmutation is occurring, a BEC >> has formed. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And absolutely all of them are manifestations of BEC? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic >>>> processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and >>>> cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake >>>>> of argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a >>>>> debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be >>>>> such >>>>> a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, >>>>> at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I >>>>> think >>>>> there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual >>>>> evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not >>>>> abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective >>>>> connections between. >>>>> >>>>> OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just >>>>> take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that >>>>> it >>>>> can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the >>>>> case, >>>>> at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces >>>>> no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at >>>>> least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent >>>>> people in the field. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton >>>>>> BEC. I read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be >>>>>> applied to the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the >>>>>> parameters of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is >>>>>> always >>>>>> used for experimentation because parameters can be controlled. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy >>>>>> is converted to a single energy level. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >>>>>>> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can >>>>>>> generate >>>>>>> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll >>>>>>> ask >>>>>>> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're >>>>>>> talking >>>>>>> about in very different LENR systems? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction >>>>>>>> in terms of the physics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>>>>>>> understand QM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same >>>>>>>>> experiment, is that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE >>>>>>>>> reacting. >>>>>>>>> Nothing more nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> spotted heat events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a >>>>>>>>> BEC-shield >>>>>>>>> in any way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>>>>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>>>>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC >>>>>>>>>> has not >>>>>>>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the >>>>>>>>>> lattice of >>>>>>>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>>>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>>>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all >>>>>>>>>>> that mass >>>>>>>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. >>>>>>>>>>> Widom-Larsen have >>>>>>>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to >>>>>>>>>>> show this >>>>>>>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>>>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as >>>>>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 >>>>>>>>>>>> microseconds. It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
