I've been trying to be less partisan, so I will simply say -- maybe. I don't deny that LENR happens in nature, I just don't think everything weird in nature happens because of BEC formation that has no precedent in any work done on BEC.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any of them that does not produce gamma radiation is producing a BEC. For > example, a spark produces a cloud of nanoparticles in which a polariton > condensate is formed. In the instant when transmutation is occurring, a BEC > has formed. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> And absolutely all of them are manifestations of BEC? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> LENR is ubiquitous and obvious. It is seen in lightning, volcanic >>> processes, electrical discharges (Ken Shoulders), exploding foils, and >>> cavitation to name just a few. DGT has a list in their ICCF-17 paper. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Leaving the idea of mathematical equivalence aside, and for the sake of >>>> argument I'll just take your word for it (though I'm sure that's a >>>> debatable point), if they were physically equivalent LENR would not be such >>>> a novel & hard-to-detect effect -- it would be ubiquitous and obvious. Or, >>>> at the very least, not so rare at the classical level. For example, I think >>>> there is evidence that humans are quantum-coherent, but I have actual >>>> evidence from investigations of biological organisms to back that up, not >>>> abstractions from disparate fields of study that I make subjective >>>> connections between. >>>> >>>> OK so we can't test the quantum-coherent gamma barrier, right? We just >>>> take it on a certain amount of faith (for the present I'm guessing) that it >>>> can do all the things you say it does? Similar to WLT? If this is the case, >>>> at the very least I think some calculations for a phenomenon that produces >>>> no testable predictions in LENR systems. WLT do provide calculations at >>>> least, though most of them have been torn apart by a number of competent >>>> people in the field. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The physics and math of ultra cold BEC is the same as for polariton >>>>> BEC. I read that somewhere. So the experimental results of one can be >>>>> applied to the other. Experiments of hot BEC are not possible because the >>>>> parameters of the experiment cannot be well controlled. Cold BEC is always >>>>> used for experimentation because parameters can be controlled. >>>>> >>>>> In my mind, polariton lasers show energy sharing where pumped energy >>>>> is converted to a single energy level. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This was work on "ultracold atom ensembles". OK, that's interesting, >>>>>> and? Why are you so sure "ultracold" phenomenon can so easily manifest at >>>>>> high temperature. And what proves these ultracold phenomenon can generate >>>>>> some system-wide absorption of radiation & internal thermal heat? I'll >>>>>> ask >>>>>> again if there's anyway to experimentally demonstrate what you're talking >>>>>> about in very different LENR systems? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rydberg excitation of a Bose-Einstein condensate >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1261v1.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Think of Rydberg excitement as the energy product of the reaction in >>>>>>> terms of the physics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You lost me there. It must be because, like Jones said, I don't >>>>>>>> understand QM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I was aware, if we are talking about the same experiment, >>>>>>>> is that the IR hot-spots clearly demonstrate an NAE reacting. Nothing >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> nothing less. They were not detecting nuclear products, just spotted >>>>>>>> heat >>>>>>>> events. I don't understand how this demonstrates a BEC-shield in any >>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If superfuidic temperature distribution is demonstrated in a NjH >>>>>>>>> reactor, this proves that a global BEC has formed. The production of >>>>>>>>> flashing hot spots as viewed by a infrared camera shows that a BEC >>>>>>>>> has not >>>>>>>>> formed. I has seen this video. If no hot spots are seen in the >>>>>>>>> lattice of >>>>>>>>> the reactor, then a BEC has formed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Foks0904 . <foks0...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, so these papers are basically saying hot fusion/fission is >>>>>>>>>> occurring in these nano-plasmon environments, right? Now the trick of >>>>>>>>>> course is proving that a coherent BEC state, that links together a >>>>>>>>>> phase-coherent quantum-system (aka "soliton") then dissipates all >>>>>>>>>> that mass >>>>>>>>>> energy through systemic distribution, can actually exist. >>>>>>>>>> Widom-Larsen have >>>>>>>>>> taken a similar road without success. Hagelstein has tried to do this >>>>>>>>>> through a phonon quasi-particle model with limited success. Again, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> papers are all well and good, what experiments do you suggest to >>>>>>>>>> show this >>>>>>>>>> is going on in all NiH LENR systems beside the particle chamber >>>>>>>>>> suggestion? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have put forth the nanoplasmonic experiments done with lasers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Repeated many times in previous posts and except in part as >>>>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of >>>>>>>>>>> electrons on the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic >>>>>>>>>>> mechanism >>>>>>>>>>> can change the half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 >>>>>>>>>>> microseconds. It also causes thorium to fission. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See references: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276&ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAg&usg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQ&sig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUA&bvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of >>>>>>>>>>> solid targets in heavy water" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au >>>>>>>>>>> nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
