Agreed. Happy to have a reverse relation for errormessage, since we seem
to have a use case. We don't seem to have a compelling use case for a
reverse relation for details, so let's leave it out for now.
On 8/09/2016 5:25 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Hi Alex,
Correct, aria-details requires no special role. However, the use case
is for the digital publishing industry. They want to be able to take a
piece of content and go to the alternative content that provides
detailed information which could be alternative content as we
discussed previously. The user may or may not wish to go back to the
content the details is being provided for.
The need for a reverse relationship for the error message is more
critical.
So, do we agree on a reverse relationship for error message and not
details?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
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From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>
To: Brett Lewis <ble...@vfo-group.com>
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Subject: Re: Reverse relationships
Date: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 10:34 AM
You're right. An element referred by aria-errormessage can be an
alert of live region and thus should be announced by a screen
reader, when it pops up. In this case, it seems the screen reader
may need to find a context element, and if this is true, then the
reverse relation is needed.
aria-details are different, since they are more like labels and
descriptions, and I guess thus they should be skipped when
navigating the virtual buffer. That suggests that aria-details
either needs a role (or xml-roles object attribute) or a reverse
relation.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Brett Lewis <ble...@vfo-group.com
<mailto:ble...@vfo-group.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Is that documented somewhere?
I read through the information on error and I don’t see
anything about AT skipping error messages if encountering them
while reading through the virtual buffer.
Have I misunderstood something?
Thanks,
Brett
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*Subject:* Re: Reverse relationships
Hi, Brett.
Can you please elaborate your use case? My understanding is AT
skips error/details, if the user encounters them, but announce
them, when the user navigates to an element related with
error/details. Why would AT need to find a related element by
error/details?
Thanks.
Alex.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Brett Lewis
<ble...@vfo-group.com <mailto:ble...@vfo-group.com>> wrote:
Hi Rich,
I think we do need the reverse relationships.
Web authors can place the error/details anywhere on the
page and there doesn’t seem to be any simple way for the
user to determine what element the error message or
details applies to without such a reverse relation.
Brett
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*Subject:* Reverse relationships
We need agreement:
Should the error message and details relationships have
reverse mappings?
Rich
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