I'm calm now and your right Gary.
As long as I am honest with them and let them know what is expected
and anything less is not tolerated, it is what it is.
They determine their own fate .......... as my actions determined
mine.
I think I was angry with myself for allowing such antics to occur in
the first place.
These guys have been with many for many years...... way before I got
involved with this group.
Back in those days I was always concerned of what people thought of
me.
I needed everybody to like me.
Had to be everyone's buddy.
So I candy coated, candy coated and candy coated some more.
Had to hear .........."Bob's such a great guy".
It made me feel good about myself.
Truth is .......... I was a liar.
There is nothing honest about candy coating.
Seems harmless on the surface, but .....
It actually causes more harm than good.
It enables.
These days, direct sometimes brutal truth (the truth as I know it) is
the only thing I feel comfortable with.
I suppose change does not happen over night.
I suppose they will have to acclimate to a stricter more demanding
direct me.
Step up or step out.
Hope they adapt quickly, because I'm going to have to do what I have
to do.
Thanks for taking a dip in lake Illusion with me.


On Jul 28, 8:49 pm, Gary <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bob:
>
> Historically, I have only had around twenty percent of hires that had
> a good work ethic.  I hire the good ones and the bad ones and have a
> difficult time determining which ones will be able to work without
> very close supervision.  So, I have learned one thing, I'm not very
> good at hiring.  Document everything closely and do regular
> evaluations.  Threaten to let the bad ones go and give them specifics
> in writing.  The flip side of things is that I make sure that I pay
> the good ones accordingly.
>
> I use to teach anger management classes.  Anger is a choice that you
> are making.  Up to you
>
> You don't doom these folks if you are straight with them and give them
> a chance.  They determine their own fate, as you determine your own
> reaction to their actions.
>
> I'm going through lots of issues at my offices.  I'm not always the
> best with dealing with my employees, but I at least deal with them as
> honestly as possible.  None of it is fun, but it is what it is.
>
> Good Luck..
>
> On Jul 28, 6:21 pm, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Consider replacing some employees"
>
> > This is where I seem to have a problem.
> > This whole fricking conditioning during my childhood church days is
> > hard to shake.
> > Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you or something
> > another.
> > The whole forgiveness thing.
> > Judge and ye shall be judged.
> > Here is my root issue:
> > I know the market in my field and there is very little work in this
> > area.
> > If I turn my back on and toss one of these guys to the side because
> > they are not doing exactly what I want.
> > I pretty much doom them to a life poverty, at least until the market
> > picks back up (nobody is hiring)
> > It seems to me like if I do that to them, then God or True Self or
> > Consciousness may cast me (i)(ego) to the side just as easily and I'll
> > slip deep back into the darkness.
> > Sounds a little fucked up if you asked me, but it is a serious Vail
> > that I can not seem to drop, pierce, open whatever.
> > I get much more honest than that.
> > Damn Dogmas
>
> > On Jul 28, 7:26 pm, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Bob, a few quick thoughts...
>
> > > 'Do I actually have some of those qualities'?
>
> > > Probably...according to someone.
> > > According to you counts most.
> > > Wouldn't hurt to have a looksee.
>
> > > 'Am I to learn from this'?
>
> > > Don't know.Can't say.
>
> > > But,in the meantime you might consider replacing some employees.If you
> > > have fucked up,irresponsible employees,you have a fucked
> > > up,irresponsible business.Seems to me anyway.
>
> > > And if you have a fucked up,irresponsible business...
>
> > > And,if you keep doing what you're doing,you'll keep getting what
> > > you're getting.
>
> > > Wish you the best,buddy.
>
> > > On Jul 28, 6:11 pm, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I would like a little feed back in regards to the last part of my
> > > > post.
> > > > This part:
>
> > > > Sorry for being so much off the subject of non- dual, but that is one
> > > > of the things that is bothering me too.
> > > > I mean, seeing them fuck up and act so irresponsibly ...... Is that
> > > > part of me?
> > > > Do I actually have some of those qualities?
> > > > Am I to learn from this and find these hidden quirks within and
> > > > correct them?
>
> > > > On Jul 28, 5:56 pm, Rodger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Are you just venting,Bob,or are you wanting some feedback?
>
> > > > > Sorry you had such a bad day.
>
> > > > > On Jul 28, 5:11 pm, Bob1357 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I am having a little..... no ...... a lot of difficulty today with
> > > > > > anger.
> > > > > > I gave my employees a priority list today.
> > > > > > A list geared so that a ten year old could understand it.
> > > > > > Nothing was done in order, nothing was done correctly and most of 
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > I asked was not done at all.
> > > > > > I completely exploded when I showed up at the job site this 
> > > > > > afternoon.
> > > > > > I was furious.
> > > > > > I don't do furious and I don't explode.
> > > > > > Perhaps things are coming to a head and I am realizing that I can 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > rely on others.
> > > > > > One thing that really gets me bent is the fact that they are all so
> > > > > > much in the dark.
> > > > > > Eating, drinking, fucking, and  sleeping is all they seem to care
> > > > > > about.
> > > > > > There like animals at times. Me me me mine mine mine
> > > > > > Perhaps I need "employees" with a raised or slightly higher
> > > > > > consciousness than what my current employees have.
> > > > > > I have pointed to the problems over and over but they just don't 
> > > > > > seem
> > > > > > to get it or care.
> > > > > > Perhaps my standards are too high.
> > > > > > Perhaps it is all my fault for letting fuck ups and mistakes slide 
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > easily.
> > > > > > Perhaps they have learned that they can get away with what ever they
> > > > > > want because Bob is nice.
> > > > > > I do believe that within all this chaos there is something 
> > > > > > unraveling.
> > > > > > Unfortunately I am so filled with anger and a sense of betrayal 
> > > > > > that I
> > > > > > can not see it.
> > > > > > I am confused at how I can let another influence my mood today.
> > > > > > I am not an angry person.
> > > > > > My head hurts.
> > > > > > Just venting, thanks to those for reading.
> > > > > > Sorry for being so much off the subject of non- dual, but that is 
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > of the things that is bothering me too.
> > > > > > I mean, seeing them fuck up and act so irresponsibly ...... Is that
> > > > > > part of me?
> > > > > > Do I actually have some of those qualities?
> > > > > > Am I to learn from this and find these hidden quirks within and
> > > > > > correct them?
> > > > > > Ok ...... Now my head hurts more.

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