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Bingo …….. “Nice values that are meaningless seem so much more valuable than the shitty ones LOL” This, I am convinced is the whole truth. “You are not really "I am" this is the tool you have to play the game, life, the invitation to act as a human being with an agenda (including advaita and enlightenment).” When one can see how illusion and reality are mere tools to play the game and act as a human being with agenda, then one can see it’s not the universe that cares about life or the self, it’s the tool of human being. The vessel. The concepts of self, life, God Love and I am have no physical substance, only the self imposed agenda of the game at play. It’s the freedom from the search. The end of the questions. The time when one sees the self and the universe as one. “Again NO - there is no you and "I am" is an illusion that can be created to make sense of what is happening. “ Yes of course. This universe and self are the illusion of “I am” to create a sense of happening. We are but a sense of happening. Which perfectly defines the conceptual error of separation and not- knowing. This life, my life was never meant to be anything other than what it is. This, I feel sure applies to us all. The life long struggle that some people seem to encourage is a self imposed search for what? Where were humans supposed go? When was superman supposed to return? These where all scenarios of human emancipation and how easy they could have been. Someone else or somewhere else was going to reveal the light of truth. This I believe is the consumerism of the substitute human agenda. Hence “The lost word” Truth was never meant for the masses. The (illusion of) individual must choose it’s play of the game for human being. Education, wisdom, morality, virtue, kindness where all stepping stones for the individual to know how to play the game of human being in a sustainable way. Whereas the universe just goes on making black holes and tossing planets around. Love, God, happiness and depression. “It's a possibility” Thanks again .......... . On Mar 8, 12:56 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <[email protected]> wrote: > > “can it be denied that this waking dream is any > > different in substance or transience than any sleeping dream? > > Well obviously it can. That is why human beings created the distinctions > awake and asleep. > > > In opinion. Yes, there is a difference. In this waking dream I can > > Google. > > Hey I can do it in my sleep (sic) LOL > > > Or put another way, my human logic and reason dominates the whispering > > voice of my inner self, immortal soul. In my deam dreams I can fly, > > move objects with my mind. In my dream dreams I know I can wake up. > > Some times I have been caught in the transition and although I can see > > > my bedroom and have conscious awareness of my bedroom I can-not move > > my body from it’s sleep state. Very strange and yet for me, this > > proves “I am” is the witness of self. > > Does it? > > As the self flows through > > > conscious awareness it encounters change. It encounters thought, > > memory, faith, hope, love and fear. > > I think you will find as the self flows through blah blah blah it INVENTS > thoughts, memories, faith, hope love and fear. It encounters all that is and > CREATES a story about what it MEANS about SELF. > > > This “I am” witness observes > > these conditions, it then decides to react or ignore. > > NO - first "I am" is CREATED as a POV then the conditions? are created in > relationship to this illusory sense of SELF. > > The witness “I > > > am” uses conscious awareness like a vessel. I am not my legs or > > arms, I am not my mind or my emotions. I am not my dreams or the > > circumstance of my surroundings. And yet they are all the only way > > “I am” can associate and struggle with self happiness. > > Again NO - there is no you and "I am" is an illusion that can be created to > make sense of what is happening. You are not really "I am" this is the tool > you have to play the game, life, the invitation to act as a human being with > an agenda (including advaita and enlightenment). > > “but it is still only dream experience nonetheless.” > > > > Yes, of course. Prior to the dream what is there? > Prior to the sense of "I am" what creates the distinction? > What creates this witness? > > Everything in life from birth is like a pinball game, action, reaction, > counteraction. > All that happens creates all that is to come. > > Prior to this, who released the ball. > > Before you became a cause and effect mechanism, explain the energy of the > driver of the ball. > > Is a dream something? Is an experience something? > > > > Yes, if it is distinct from a not dream or another experience it is a > distinction. > > > We have been trained from very early age to think and behave as > > consumers. > > This subliminal indoctrination has even penetrated our approach to > > understanding the profound inner self. We approach spiritually, > > Advaita, Self and Purpose from a consumer’s view. Maybe the > > overall purpose is not a benefit or profit. Maybe this whole > > universe was created with all it’s fundamental laws and introspective > > reflections of infinity, simply to grow and die for no overall > > difference to the original emptiness without form. To journey. We can- > > not know and should not demand to know. > > Earth is like a tic on the back of an elephant... > > Yet each molecule contains an instruction as to its purpose > > So why don't you know? > > > All we have to work with is > > now. Right now I am the witness of Marcus and it’s a beautiful > > day. Tonight we will make pancakes for Shrove Tuesday and watch the > > news on television, that's my real dream now. > > Cool, me too, very excited about flour eggs and lemons! > > > Knowing thy self. Is to see the futility in trying to know anything > > more than the self. > > “The kingdom of God is within you” this is the realisation that now > > is the only place where all your hopes and dreams can happen. When > > the inner self is allowed to surface in the now then the universe, > > your co-created universe is everything you ever wanted it to be. > > Purpose or no purpose, duality or non-duality it’ up to you. > > This is all meaning you add to being, you know that don't you :) and quite > beautiful it is too. Nice values that are meaningless seem so much more > valuable than the shitty ones LOL > > With such a choice, lets choose the promotion of sunshine and rainbows > > > happiness as this days purpose. > > > Why not, when the difference is you ……………….. > > It's a possibility > > Cheers > > Mark
