In a message dated 2/27/09 6:26:13 PM, [email protected] writes:

"I believe it is possible to 
speak of good and bad qualities in things, and these qualities are 
independent of the perceiver's/interpreter's set of standards for such 
things. The raw material that leads to "good" and "bad" predicates 
reside in the objects, not exclusively in our heads."

I'm working on a somewhat defendible posting right now, but I'll interrupt 
myself to address what you say here, Michael, because it may help clarify what 
I'm working on.

Your two sentences above claim that what you call "good and bad qualities" 
and "The raw material" BOTH in some way reside "in the objects". Do you think 
of 
them as two different entities? I can see claiming that "raw material" 
resides in objects, but I hear no justification for the existence of something 
you 
call "qualities". The "predicates" 'good' and 'bad' can be taken as solely the 
words, or as the notional feelings inside our heads. In either case they do 
not "reside in" the object. 

You may reply, "When you squeeze a rock, don't you encounter the quality of 
hardness?"   No. My fingers encounter only rock. My fingers then send certain 
nerve impulses that eventuate as sensation in my brain. I notice the rock does 
not crumble when I squeeze. "That thing is hard!" I cry. But the big strong 
guy next to me crushes the thing to crumbs. "That wasn't hard," he says. "In 
fact it was only dried mud." Can you see that "hard" or "soft" is not a 
"quality" 
of the thing we squeezed, but only a word we summon up to describe our 
experience caused by our encounter with the "raw material"?

Similarly "goodness" or "badness" is never in an external object. Only "raw 
material" is.      



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