I'll take a CBRS control channel + LAA in 5ghz. I think it'd kick ass, not so much for the NLOS, but for the longer distance stuff more then anything.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 12:47 PM Gino A. Villarini <[email protected]> wrote: > The upside of LTE is Carrier Aggregation and LAA > > You can have a base 2.5 or 3.5 ghz system, and add capacity to the > downlink using LAA in 5ghzŠ no interference to worry about since you are > blasting one wayŠ > > On 9/25/18, 1:15 PM, "AF on behalf of Robert Andrews" > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > >Isn't the major gains that LTE is making right now largely due to more > >antennas/channels/power? And that is giving a higher time in the > >higher 256QAM? I didn't think there was any special sauce available to > >LTE that isn't available to other software programmable radios in some > >sort of proprietary protocol...??? > > > >On 09/24/2018 04:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> I¹m not sure a 5 GHz LTE product makes sense, unless you¹re talking > >> carrier aggregation and LAA. Otherwise I question the ³magic² of ³LTE > >> modulation², once you try to use it in dirty spectrum. Oooooh, 256QAM. > >> > >> Like we haven¹t been doing that for years. I put it in the same > >> category as ³3.65 GHz goes through trees². Only if the noise floor is > >> really low, and then it¹s not the ³S² part of SNR, it¹s the ³N² part > >> that¹s magic. > >> > >> Maybe I¹m missing something, but I¹m not wanting to spend big bucks > >>(and > >> a big power budget) to use LTE in 5 GHz. Maybe if there¹s some killer > >> antenna technology, but I think that¹s what Medusa does too. Not that > >> it is any better on price or power consumption. > >> > >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 6:44 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> This would be better on the price front then if that is possible. > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Jon Langeler > >><[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>> wrote: > >> > >> Baicells just announced 5Ghz LTE, might be others. > >> > >> The brains of the Cambium 3G Medusa is apparently supposed to be > >> capable of LTE modulation is what I thought I heard at the roadshow. > >> It would be a future software option. > >> > >> Jon Langeler > >> > >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. > >> > >> > >> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 PM, <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>> <[email protected] < > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I really have not been paying any attention to this, but is > >> there an unlicensed LTE radio? > >> > >> Meaning an unlicensed radio that uses LTE modulation methods. > >> > >> *From:*Adam Moffett > >> > >> *Sent:*Monday, September 24, 2018 4:09 PM > >> > >> *To:*[email protected] > >> > >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> What's nice LTE? Baicells? > >> A Telrad eNB might be "only" $7k, but you'll be north of $9k by > >> the time you figure out all the licenses you need. > >> > >> I'd be curious about a 3.65 Medusa, but I wonder if I can set > >> TDD parameters that will line up with our existing LTE frames. > >> -Adam > >> > >> > >> On 9/24/2018 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > >> > >> It's gonna be on display in Vegas. I'm not even in USA so > >> the CBRS stuff isn't really affecting us right now, but when > >> you start looking at 9k per ap you could get some nice LTE > >> instead. > >> > >> It's just surprising being 2k more than the 5ghz pmp450m. > >> Especially with the cost of the SM being higher as well, but > >> maybe the 450b 3.65 will solve that? Time will tell I guess. > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> That¹s not surprising, if it includes the MU-MIMO > >> activation key. I guess nutty is in the eye of the > >> beholder. > >> > >> But if it¹s really available ³soon², I¹m a little > >> surprised, I was afraid they would wait to see what the > >> FCC did with the PAL auction rules. Also whether the > >> industry decided that CBRS is only for LTE devices, even > >> for fixed. > >> > >> And I thought Ubiquiti had trademarked the term SOON . > >> > >> Anyway, I think something like LTE or cnMedusa is going > >> to be necessary for CBRS, especially with the cost of > >> paying a SAS vendor for each location and the cost of > >> acquiring PAL licenses, and then only getting 10 MHz > >> channels. You don¹t get much capacity from 10 MHz of > >> spectrum unless you have all the fancy tricks like beam > >> steering and bidirectional MU-MIMO, and of course at > >> least 256QAM. > >> > >> *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan > >>Ray > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 1:31 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > > > >> > >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> It's available very soon, but the pricing is nutty. $9k > >> usd.... > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it > >> was some undetermined date in the future. Or did I > >> misunderstand you? > >> > >> *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of > >>*Dave > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:09 AM > >> *To:* [email protected] > >> > >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> We have a few towers with TOWER TOP control and > >> management. > >> The ones I designed are 24v and 48v. > >> We have only CMM4 boxes with the Planet switches > >> which I use LC the hybrid cable comes from > >>Besttronics. > >> We have a #12 stranded pair in each of these. I have > >> to have transtector Part#1101-626 at top and bottom > >> to meet our > >> surge protection compliance. > >> Since those sites have been installed I have had > >> zero issues. > >> > >> Seems that 3.65Medusa has made us change to a more > >> direct connection so my box design will have to be > >> modified. > >> All of the Orange tag cables will have to be removed > >> since the packet flux will not support the new power > >> requirements > >> > >> Here is one design we have plans to deploy next > >>week. > >> > >> <image003.jpg> > >> > >> On 09/22/2018 05:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > >> Are most people using SC or LC at the top of the > >> tower? I want to use LC most everywhere I can, > >> but I understand the advantage in SC on a tower > >> where it's easier to work with larger things. > >> > >> What's the next bigger enclosure? Could you put > >> something like this on a swinging panel where I > >> could run a trunk cable into it and then plug > >> individual patch cables going to each radio? > >> Maybe easier on you if you just make it work > >> with something else on the market, like these > >> panels from FiberStore where someone can just > >> get whatever panel they want (LC\SC\whatever)? > >> > >> https://www.fs.com/products/68962.html > >> > >> The goal is to emulate one of these: > >> > >>https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/DC6-48-60-0-8C-EV_320-1318.pdf > >> > >> > https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DC6-48-60-18-8C-EV_320- > >>1315-1.pdf > >> > >> Power and fiber in one box, transition from > >> trunk to the ground to the radios. > >> > >> I'm sure they'd sell well. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed > by > >> sender. > >> > >><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > >> removed by sender. > >> > >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image > >> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange > >> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image > removed > >> by sender. > >> > >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image > >> removed by sender. > >><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >> The Brothers WISP > >><http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image > >> removed by sender. > >> > >> > >> > >><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]> > >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > >> *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:51:48 PM > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> Can put in a patch panel. Just a mechanical > >> thing to solve. > >> > >> But patch panels have cutouts for couplers. And > >> different couplers need different size holes in > >> the part that holds them in. > >> > >> So if someone could tell me which coupler will > >> always be needed, then this is easy. > >> > >> Otherwise I have to offer a variety of coupler > >> options and that multiplies my part numbers etc > >>etc. > >> > >> Happy to do that but not if I only sell 1 per > >> month. > >> > >> *From:*Mike Hammett > >> > >> *Sent:*Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:46 AM > >> > >> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> > >> *Subject:*[AFMUG] DC+ Fiber > >> > >> When do we see a 48v one of these? Also, more > >> density? > >> > >> > >>http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-relay-output/ > >> > >> When do we see one of these with a fiber patch > >> panel and slack storage? > >> > >> > >> > https://www.mccowntech.com/product/8-circuit-outdoor-dc-power-line-surge- > >>suppressor-protector-copy/ > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed > by > >> sender. > >> > >><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image > >> removed by sender. > >> > >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image > >> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange > >> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image > removed > >> by sender. > >> > >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image > >> removed by sender. > >><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >> The Brothers WISP > >><http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >> Image removed by sender. > >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image > >> removed by sender. > >> > >> > >> > >><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> > > > >-- > >AF mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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