The upside of LTE is Carrier Aggregation and LAA You can have a base 2.5 or 3.5 ghz system, and add capacity to the downlink using LAA in 5ghzŠ no interference to worry about since you are blasting one wayŠ
On 9/25/18, 1:15 PM, "AF on behalf of Robert Andrews" Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >Isn't the major gains that LTE is making right now largely due to more >antennas/channels/power? And that is giving a higher time in the >higher 256QAM? I didn't think there was any special sauce available to >LTE that isn't available to other software programmable radios in some >sort of proprietary protocol...??? > >On 09/24/2018 04:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> I¹m not sure a 5 GHz LTE product makes sense, unless you¹re talking >> carrier aggregation and LAA. Otherwise I question the ³magic² of ³LTE >> modulation², once you try to use it in dirty spectrum. Oooooh, 256QAM. >> >> Like we haven¹t been doing that for years. I put it in the same >> category as ³3.65 GHz goes through trees². Only if the noise floor is >> really low, and then it¹s not the ³S² part of SNR, it¹s the ³N² part >> that¹s magic. >> >> Maybe I¹m missing something, but I¹m not wanting to spend big bucks >>(and >> a big power budget) to use LTE in 5 GHz. Maybe if there¹s some killer >> antenna technology, but I think that¹s what Medusa does too. Not that >> it is any better on price or power consumption. >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 6:44 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> This would be better on the price front then if that is possible. >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Jon Langeler >><[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Baicells just announced 5Ghz LTE, might be others. >> >> The brains of the Cambium 3G Medusa is apparently supposed to be >> capable of LTE modulation is what I thought I heard at the roadshow. >> It would be a future software option. >> >> Jon Langeler >> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 PM, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> I really have not been paying any attention to this, but is >> there an unlicensed LTE radio? >> >> Meaning an unlicensed radio that uses LTE modulation methods. >> >> *From:*Adam Moffett >> >> *Sent:*Monday, September 24, 2018 4:09 PM >> >> *To:*[email protected] >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> What's nice LTE? Baicells? >> A Telrad eNB might be "only" $7k, but you'll be north of $9k by >> the time you figure out all the licenses you need. >> >> I'd be curious about a 3.65 Medusa, but I wonder if I can set >> TDD parameters that will line up with our existing LTE frames. >> -Adam >> >> >> On 9/24/2018 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: >> >> It's gonna be on display in Vegas. I'm not even in USA so >> the CBRS stuff isn't really affecting us right now, but when >> you start looking at 9k per ap you could get some nice LTE >> instead. >> >> It's just surprising being 2k more than the 5ghz pmp450m. >> Especially with the cost of the SM being higher as well, but >> maybe the 450b 3.65 will solve that? Time will tell I guess. >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Ken Hohhof >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That¹s not surprising, if it includes the MU-MIMO >> activation key. I guess nutty is in the eye of the >> beholder. >> >> But if it¹s really available ³soon², I¹m a little >> surprised, I was afraid they would wait to see what the >> FCC did with the PAL auction rules. Also whether the >> industry decided that CBRS is only for LTE devices, even >> for fixed. >> >> And I thought Ubiquiti had trademarked the term SOON�. >> >> Anyway, I think something like LTE or cnMedusa is going >> to be necessary for CBRS, especially with the cost of >> paying a SAS vendor for each location and the cost of >> acquiring PAL licenses, and then only getting 10 MHz >> channels. You don¹t get much capacity from 10 MHz of >> spectrum unless you have all the fancy tricks like beam >> steering and bidirectional MU-MIMO, and of course at >> least 256QAM. >> >> *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ryan >>Ray >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 1:31 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> It's available very soon, but the pricing is nutty. $9k >> usd.... >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wait, 3.65 Medusa is available now? I thought it >> was some undetermined date in the future. Or did I >> misunderstand you? >> >> *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >>*Dave >> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:09 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> We have a few towers with TOWER TOP control and >> management. >> The ones I designed are 24v and 48v. >> We have only CMM4 boxes with the Planet switches >> which I use LC the hybrid cable comes from >>Besttronics. >> We have a #12 stranded pair in each of these. I have >> to have transtector Part#1101-626 at top and bottom >> to meet our >> surge protection compliance. >> Since those sites have been installed I have had >> zero issues. >> >> Seems that 3.65Medusa has made us change to a more >> direct connection so my box design will have to be >> modified. >> All of the Orange tag cables will have to be removed >> since the packet flux will not support the new power >> requirements >> >> Here is one design we have plans to deploy next >>week. >> >> <image003.jpg> >> >> On 09/22/2018 05:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Are most people using SC or LC at the top of the >> tower? I want to use LC most everywhere I can, >> but I understand the advantage in SC on a tower >> where it's easier to work with larger things. >> >> What's the next bigger enclosure? Could you put >> something like this on a swinging panel where I >> could run a trunk cable into it and then plug >> individual patch cables going to each radio? >> Maybe easier on you if you just make it work >> with something else on the market, like these >> panels from FiberStore where someone can just >> get whatever panel they want (LC\SC\whatever)? >> >> https://www.fs.com/products/68962.html >> >> The goal is to emulate one of these: >> >>https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/DC6-48-60-0-8C-EV_320-1318.pdf >> >>https://www.raycap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/DC6-48-60-18-8C-EV_320- >>1315-1.pdf >> >> Power and fiber in one box, transition from >> trunk to the ground to the radios. >> >> I'm sure they'd sell well. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed by >> sender. >> >><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >> removed by sender. >> >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image >> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image removed >> by sender. >> >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image >> removed by sender. >><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP >><http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image >> removed by sender. >> >> >> >><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:[email protected] >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> mailto:[email protected] >> *Sent: *Saturday, September 22, 2018 4:51:48 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> Can put in a patch panel. Just a mechanical >> thing to solve. >> >> But patch panels have cutouts for couplers. And >> different couplers need different size holes in >> the part that holds them in. >> >> So if someone could tell me which coupler will >> always be needed, then this is easy. >> >> Otherwise I have to offer a variety of coupler >> options and that multiplies my part numbers etc >>etc. >> >> Happy to do that but not if I only sell 1 per >> month. >> >> *From:*Mike Hammett >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:46 AM >> >> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:*[AFMUG] DC+ Fiber >> >> When do we see a 48v one of these? Also, more >> density? >> >> >>http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-4-channel-relay-output/ >> >> When do we see one of these with a fiber patch >> panel and slack storage? >> >> >>https://www.mccowntech.com/product/8-circuit-outdoor-dc-power-line-surge- >>suppressor-protector-copy/ >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed by >> sender. >> >><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >> removed by sender. >> >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image >> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image removed >> by sender. >> >><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image >> removed by sender. >><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP >><http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> Image removed by sender. >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image >> removed by sender. >> >> >> >><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> >>http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> > >-- >AF mailing list >[email protected] >http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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