Can you run the fiber a more populated route and make it a FTTH and business project? You could finance the project as well.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 10:02 AM Steve Jones <[email protected] wrote: > 300k was a quote at one point. Weve got a little under half that in > microwave solutions spread over the years and we are coming up on > consistent 1/3 capacity with spikes over half, so we will outgrow that > investment again in a relatively short period. > > "You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If > doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and > splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility." > > I assume these figure8 are slack and in handhole/vaults? so in rural > areas, at least 1 per mile since theres a road every mile? > > Whats the rule of thumb on slack? is there a percentage? like say for > every 1000 feet you have x feet of slack? I aasume when an auger hits the > duct it will pull alot of that slack? > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:04 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: > >> Duct can be had for 35 cents / foot or less. I was getting it for 28 >> cents until the extrusion company went BK. >> >> You can cut and splice duct when going over and under obstacles. If >> doing direct burial you would be doing giant figure 8s or cutting and >> splicing every time you hit a culvert or other shallow facility. >> >> You can blow another fiber over the top of an existing fiber. >> >> Fewer fiber cuts and splices etc. In my opinion you don’t save that much >> money with direct burial. >> >> *From:* Chris Fabien >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:53 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >> >> I know we've had this discussion before.... we don't have gophers in >> Michigan. Only damage we have had on direct bury was due to gas company. >> Yeah it was a pain to fix, about 8 hours of downtime. But the cost savings >> is worth it to me for my network. We are doing FTTH so we do have more >> handholes for test points. Usually at least 6 per mile. Don't know where >> Steve is or how well funded so just sharing a lower cost option, I guess. >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:15 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected] wrote: >> >>> The worst part of direct burial is gopher damage. And they will eat it >>> up on 100 places but they may not fail until there is some nearby >>> vibration. They seem to have the ability to eat up the cable but leave the >>> strands intact or just break one or two of them. >>> >>> Yes, you first have to find the damage and in long rural stretches that >>> can be difficult, more so with direct because you have to dig, cut, test, >>> dig cut test. With duct you just pull on it and see if it moves. OTDRs >>> are not precision measuring devices. Even if they are +-1% accurate, that >>> is 52 feet of uncertainty in a mile. So you shoot both ends and then >>> extrapolate the center of overlap or gap. >>> >>> Pray, dig, cut, test, splice, pray, dig, cuts, test, splice. Repeat >>> until you get there. After some time you will have it bracketed and many >>> times you just replace 1000’ instead of actually finding and fixing the >>> problem. >>> >>> All the while customers are very unhappy. I have had it take a week to >>> fix very long remote troubles like this. >>> >>> *From:* Colin Stanners >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:56 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>> >>> We also usually install a second duct on all major routes. >>> >>> Chuck, with your long career, I assume that you've had a few cases where >>> direct burial took a long time/difficulties to fix? >>> >>> Now working in the long-distance/underground industry, doing all the >>> planning and permitting, I've seen our guys pull up things - including a >>> boulder the size of a car - from the ground so that they could get that >>> conduit through. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I never do direct burial any more. Not even on drops. Generally I >>>> install an extra duct, I like duralines future path products if I can >>>> justify the expense. I need to learn how to install microduct into regular >>>> duct. I am sure I can pull it but I would like to figure out how to blow >>>> it. >>>> >>>> *From:* Colin Stanners >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:42 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10 mile fiber >>>> >>>> I try hard to steer clear of direct-burying cable, which is much easier >>>> to damage and extremely time-consuming to repair, unless it's a non-crucial >>>> line (e.g. standard residential customer, although those we currently put >>>> in conduit as well, to keep future risk and repair costs low). >>>> >>>> If this customer is paying 1/4 million to get a line installed, it's >>>> probably crucial. One day when that line gets hit, if it's in conduit it's >>>> likely possible to get it repaired within hours to a day. I've even heard >>>> of cases of the fiber surviving a conduit-line hit since it's "loose" >>>> inside the conduit and has slack at the ends. If a direct-buried line gets >>>> hit, especially next to a road etc, it may be needed to get locates, >>>> arrange a drill, electrical/gas line safety watch, etc, possibly even >>>> arrange more permitting for a new vault, which will often move time to >>>> repair to days or a week+. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:28 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steve in our area we could do that "on the cheap" with 12 or 24 count >>>>> cable direct buried for around 100k. There are so many variables though. >>>>> You really need someone who has done work in that area and is familiar >>>>> with >>>>> permitting costs and requirements. I'd it's so rural that you can plow the >>>>> bulk of it and you are OK with direct bury you can save a ton of money vs >>>>> putting it all in duct. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I run at least 24 strands on any run that's going >>>>> "somewhere". Dead end runs can be 12F. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 1:46 AM Steve Jones <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If a guy wanted to get fiber in the ground, non aerial between two >>>>>> buildings to replace an existing licensed 1.3 gb link. Crosses 3 >>>>>> creek/ditches, 10 rural intersections, 10 rural town blocks. What would >>>>>> be >>>>>> needed? >>>>>> I would guess that duct is the best thing to put it in, innerduct >>>>>> being better. >>>>>> I'd guess 96+ count isn't going to cost any more per strand to put in >>>>>> the duct than 2 (not the cost of the fiber itself) >>>>>> Lots of dark strands and duct space is probably lucrative to have >>>>>> just in case. >>>>>> Slack, handholes, vaults, etc, what would you put in there? 10 or so >>>>>> customers on the path so not a ftth type thing. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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