My son is almost done with his road to Eagle Scout, while some requirements have changed I can assure you it is still a rigorous process. There are still a lot of required merit badges to be completed. What I like about those required badges is the fact that many of them are life skills that are no longer being taught in the public school systems adequately or at all. Things like personal finance, government (local, nation and world), communication (written, spoken, verbal), swimming and others. While a couple of the required have been changed from years past, it’s still not an easy process, especially for a kid. A lot of adults I know don’t have the fortitude to stick with a program as long as my kid has. We were just discussing how when he started it seemed like such a long way off and so much work to be done.
I have been on boards of review for Eagle Scouts who were getting advanced Palm awards. These kids were not even 16 years old, they handled themselves more professionally and more confidently than most of the adults I have interviewed for jobs. It still is a great program and probably more of an indicator of the quality of a person you would be hiring. These days’ kids are much more apt to quit when things get hard. As a council level leader and board member, I am having a much harder time getting the adult leaders trained. They struggle to even take on line courses to get position trained to help lead and guide these kids. Don’t even get me started on the new generation of parents that don’t want to help build and run their local community Cub Scout units. They just don’t seem willing to work hard and make sacrifices for their children. Always expecting someone else to do it. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 11:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Sadly, eagle scout will soon have little to no value, reqs are on the decline, is the video gaming badge a thing yet? On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 4:03 PM can...@believewireless.net <p...@believewireless.net> wrote: I got my first job out of college because I'm an Eagle Scout. The main boss asked in the interview, "What is your motto? Happy, Health, Horny?" On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 4:52 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Eagle Scouts, hams, farm kids, vets. All good indicators. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 2:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills the other issue we've had with military personnel is that in the military their boss is on a need to know basis (and therefore they don't always need to know stuff) because telling their boss something will sometimes land someone in hot water so it's just best not to tell anyone. no one wants their superior to suffer the wrath of the general etc. well, outside of the military that's a huge issue because sometimes they will hide really important info from you because they didn't want to inconvenience you with the truth which could cause problems...not realizing that withholding such information actually caused bigger problems. it's a hard habit to break them of. don't get me wrong, they are hard workers and will do just about anything you command them to do, but sometimes they'll leave you in the dark thinking they are doing you a favor. some of our best employees have been eagle scouts 2 cents -sean On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we referred to them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of dave Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with good values and the meaning of hard work even though I had my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a bit to understand Focus. Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often wonder if there are younger more focused people to sustain hard work when needed. I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home looking to start a new. On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would be a problem if you hired me as an installer. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type experience is probably more valuable than tech experience. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without experience but couldn't experience without a job? I'm as interested in someone that knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can perform a simple router setup. Jerry Head wrote: > Disagree. > We hired an installer last year who just turned 18. > He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up. > We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router. > He failed. > My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway". > We did hire him and he has worked out really well. > So there's that I guess. > > > On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>> >>> A couple of thoughts: >>> >>> Many of these type of people will be working on something interesting >>> in their own time. Maybe some probing questions about what they >>> have done on their own. Depending on what you're looking for, things >>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?' >>> might help. >>> >>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job listing? >>> That might be a good starting point. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was young I went exploring. I'd ask my mom if I could go for a >>>> bike ride. I never really specified where, and just kept ranging >>>> farther and farther from home. I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes, >>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries, >>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. I got >>>> there on >>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the >>>> category of "going for a bike ride". I only got arrested once, but I >>>> probably deserved it a few more times. >>>> >>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play >>>> with the components. At an early job they were impressed that I >>>> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence. I also >>>> plugged a >>>> DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also >>>> melted a >>>> NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too long. >>>> >>>> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car. I could tell you the >>>> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I >>>> tagged >>>> along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger >>>> 10/22. I >>>> slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes didn't bring >>>> anything but matches. Played with fireworks, made my own fireworks >>>> with >>>> homemade black powder and/or match heads. >>>> >>>> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a >>>> lawnmower, and so on. >>>> >>>> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I >>>> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them. >>>> Things >>>> like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand tools, >>>> and >>>> a general sense of time, distance, and direction. >>>> >>>> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job >>>> applicant >>>> is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works? >>>> How do >>>> I attract that applicant to begin with? 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