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Speaking to a friend with a M3, he says he can postpone updates
as long as he wants, but he generally doesn't.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/22/2019 3:49 PM, Mathew Howard
wrote:
I'm pretty sure Tesla has an option you can turn on
to get updates sooner, or let it wait until it feels like
updating... I don't think mine got the last major update until
at least a few weeks after it was released.
&
unfortunately, you cannot decide to wait till version 2 comes
out, if
they decide to release a 1.1test, you get it... At least
that's what my
buddy was telling (whining) me...
On 11/22/2019 03:22 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> You have to be aware of the firmware version when talking
about a Tesla.
> The firmware is more important than the model year
because they are
> updating it fairly often.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 11/22/2019 1:02 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> They have that ability and do it. BUT the
programming has had some
>> serious errors for different conditions. When the X
first came out
>> there were a bunch of people stuck at Tahoe with
them. Now, a bunch
>> of them came up with tires very much not suited for
the conditions and
>> no amount of slippage control would fix that, but
there were
>> complaints from people who actually had snow tires
on. I also heard
>> that situation is much improved.. Even with the
much lower S.
>>
>> On 11/22/2019 11:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Supposedly, their computer can manage the
slippage on a per-wheel
>>> basis to get any traction that might be available
instead of blind
>>> power. Supposedly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 12:49:37 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>>>
>>> With the torque of electric motors, probably no
snow tires in the
>>> world would be enough, maybe convert to tracks.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF <[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Robert
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 10:59 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>>>
>>> It's up on their website now. A winch, my life
for a winch. But
>>> that with 500 mile range for 60K and I could
replace the power wagon
>>> with it... Specially with and additional 6
inches of clearance and
>>> nothing to block snow under the body, so it would
slide on top
>>> easier. It might just make a pretty good snow
machine!
>>>
>>> On 11/22/19 7:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> The range(s) were listed as 200-500 depending
on battery pack. The
>>> extra motors add power, but don't make a
significant impact on
>>> mileage (or as much as you might think). You
can see this in the
>>> various models S, X, and Y; more motors
doesn't really impact range
>>> all that much. I think this is because just
because you have more
>>> power, it still takes about the same amount
of power to go X miles
>>> per hour.
>>>
>>> The metric for efficiency is MPGe. The EPA
has decreed that
>>> ~~33.5KWh is approximately equal energy-wise
to 1 gallon of gas. So,
>>> for example, the latest firmware version of
the Model 3 with a 60KWh
>>> battery goes ~~ 250 miles. That nets out to
~~ 140 MPGe
>>> (250/(60/33.5)).
>>>
>>> We don't have enough information for the
cybertruck yet to do that
>>> calculation (or do we?). ICE trucks (half
tons anyway) are doing
>>> good to get 20 MPG these days. The diesel
variety can get into the
>>> high 20s (26-28 zone).
>>>
>>> I was surprised to see the towing capacity
with a unibody. There
>>> would have to be some serious reinforcement
going on to attach a
>>> weight distribution hitch with that kind of
weight.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/22/2019 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> To be consistent with my feelings on
their semi truck, as long
>>> as the performance, specifications,
reliability, utility are as
>>> promised, I care much less about how it
appears.
>>>
>>> That $40k price point is nice, though I'd
want at least the $50k
>>> to have AWD.
>>>
>>> I've seen people say stuff like, "OMG,
that too much money for a
>>> truck." Clearly they have no idea what
trucks cost. I haven't
>>> seen what the electric ATV costs.
>>>
>>> I also wonder what else changes between
the tiers. Adding more
>>> motors shouldn't add to the range of the
vehicle, so what's
>>> happening with the battery, weight, etc.
Adding more batteries
>>> shouldn't make it faster, so what's up
with the extra motors?
>>>
>>> I'm more willing to admit I don't need to
pull a house with my
>>> daily driver because I can always get
something from the farm. I
>>> just want it to be big enough to handle
most things. Hell, even
>>> the 14k towing would be enough for our
Bobcat and trailer.
>>>
>>> I wonder how trailers work with the
EVs... how easy is it to
>>> add (or get the option for) gooseneck,
fifth wheel, etc.
>>>
>>> I do like the hard, lockable tonneau
cover. Maybe Rivian had it
>>> available and I just forgot. Nice place
to store a bunch of
>>> tools for a work truck, though no place
to add a ladder rack.
>>>
>>> I was annoyed they didn't have battery
specs, but I suppose that
>>> could still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't
know if they need 100 or
>>> 110 kw to meet their advertised
performance numbers.
>>>
>>> Weight would be nice to know as well.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised on the design. All else
equal, I'd probably
>>> prefer the Rivian, but let's see how
things actually bare out.
>>> What's the "mpg" compared to Rivian? I
guess it'd be MPkWh?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
<[email protected]>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31
AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
>>>
>>> I was expecting to see some comments from
this crowd. Was
>>> everyone suitably underwhelmed? Or
running out to place your
>>> pre-orders?
>>>
>>> I think I saw one comment that it looked
like a cross between an
>>> El Camino and a Pontiac Aztec. It
certainly was not what I
>>> expected when I heard Tesla was going to
bring out an electric
>>> truck. It sounds like the 3 motor
version will indeed be fast,
>>> but how big a market is there for a
fast, expensive, ugly
>>> truck? Maybe more than I realize.
>>>
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