Sounds similar to my experience. In 2001 I moved to a “remote” area of desert “new” city with not even a street light.
I was dying for internet, had half working DSL and it sucked. I had already been experimenting with 802.11 wireless transmissions and manage to get myself a 2.4GHz link across Utah Lake using those old grid antennas and a hacked WAP11. But the internet was MUCH better, having sourced it from some random dudes house that I found knocking on a few doors, lol! After that my neighbors were like, “How did you get that?” and “How do I get that too?” A WISP was born out of that, with no funding, from the ground/neighbors/neighborhood up. Eventually we were big enough to change everything over to Motorola Canopy and never looked back. Sold that company after 10 years to JAB and did FTTH/FTTP. Now I’ve come full circle and am doing WISP again with 60GHz gear and wishing I had Cambium Terragraph. Looks like it may be time for another WISP “forklift” upgrade… Stupid WISP stuff! From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk Funny. I'm trying to remember when I went to what I think was a WISPCON conference back around that time in San Jose. I had just learned about the last mile problem, and I had been the designee from our neighborhood group to figure out how we were going to get high speed internet to our little region. It's a tough place to serve because there are only about 1,000 households and we cover an approximate 500 square mile area in the mountains. I met someone from Cascade Networks. I don't remember now if it was Brian or Jason. It might have been both. At any rate, they made a convincing argument for some kind of Canopy-based network based on my description of where we needed to provide service. I went home and told my wife "I think we can do this.". A few months later we were on our way. The original goal was to provide service to a few dozen of our closest neighbors, and get an almost no cost internet for ourselves. That turned into selling heroin to an addicted clientele (metaphorically speaking). bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/4/2020 12:37 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I think we saw our first Canopy March 2003. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:14 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk Remember WISPCON? I think I attended WISPCON II in something like 2002. There was some startup called Motorola with a product called Canopy. Also a competitor called Trango. I probably still have a binder from the show in a bookcase somewhere. Not sure if Wireless Beehive existed yet. From: AF <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:38 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk That's how I came to create my email address (part15 Skyline Broadband Service). In my mind this place is still part 15, even though we manage to cover quite a range of topics. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/4/2020 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: One day, mid day Michael was upset because someone cross posted or wrongly posted something about Motorola in a Trango list or some such thing. He was pretty much a list nazi about that because you had to subscribe to each list and he didn’t want Motorola folks from answering Trango questions if they were not a subscriber to both lists or something like that. In any event he was grouchy and trying to police this kind of stuff. And then he sent an email with I QUIT as the subject line. Then, like immediately, the list serve went down and stayed down. I was getting emails all afternoon about it and so I had my guys start up a list serv, put all the Motorola people on it and away we go. In a day or two, Michael became aware his site was down and fixed it but by then ... the barn door had been left open. I am sure he never forgave me. But we did it out of a want to keep in contact rather than malice. We had no idea the meaning of I QUIT. As it turns out he was just frustrated and the outage was just coincidental. Pretty sure part 15 went out of business because of this. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:57 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk What was the deal with Bullit anyway? Some sort of control issues? On 12/2/2020 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: From: Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs Its all good Ken 😊 Didn’t mean to sound defensive LOL. But if I get any more crap, I QUIT hahahah (only us “long-times” will get that reference) From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:29 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you. From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken. 20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a bunch of other things. Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 10 tech phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3. We are well aware of future proofing and are doing that wherever possible. I think we have a few years at least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill towers. We overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds. Licensed BH links wherever possible. If I had a local company that could provide 50Mbit plans for less than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long. Not everyone would of course. ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage area, and we have lost 4 customers in 2 years to it. But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever comes back. They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing! I’m good 😊 From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless. On the one hand, it’s magic not science. On the other hand, Elon Musk and T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded fiber. I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws, while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty. Very difficult, yet customers would rather be doing something else. From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs Theodolite will. From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs LOL, definitely not in LOS territory. 90% of our rural stuff won’t see the towers. We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the tower. From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones. That ticket could always be pulled up. As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a tower, based on stored LAT / LONG From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Chuck McCown <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs Google Earth From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs Anyone have a favorite app?? (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from their location. Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers.. Thanks! Paul McCall, President Florida Broadband / PDMNet 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ________________________________ -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ________________________________ -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ________________________________ -- AF mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -->
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