Saratoga springs had a billboard showing a amusement park back in the day.
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> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sounds similar to my experience.
>
> In 2001 I moved to a “remote” area of desert “new” city with not even a
> street light.
>
> I was dying for internet, had half working DSL and it sucked.
>
> I had already been experimenting with 802.11 wireless transmissions and
> manage to get myself a 2.4GHz link across Utah Lake using those old grid
> antennas and a hacked WAP11.
>
> But the internet was MUCH better, having sourced it from some random dudes
> house that I found knocking on a few doors, lol!
>
> After that my neighbors were like, “How did you get that?” and “How do I get
> that too?”
>
> A WISP was born out of that, with no funding, from the
> ground/neighbors/neighborhood up.
>
> Eventually we were big enough to change everything over to Motorola Canopy
> and never looked back.
>
> Sold that company after 10 years to JAB and did FTTH/FTTP.
>
> Now I’ve come full circle and am doing WISP again with 60GHz gear and wishing
> I had Cambium Terragraph.
> Looks like it may be time for another WISP “forklift” upgrade… Stupid WISP
> stuff!
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:07 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>
> Funny. I'm trying to remember when I went to what I think was a WISPCON
> conference back around that time in San Jose.
>
> I had just learned about the last mile problem, and I had been the designee
> from our neighborhood group to figure out how we were going to get high speed
> internet to our little region. It's a tough place to serve because there are
> only about 1,000 households and we cover an approximate 500 square mile area
> in the mountains.
>
> I met someone from Cascade Networks. I don't remember now if it was Brian or
> Jason. It might have been both. At any rate, they made a convincing argument
> for some kind of Canopy-based network based on my description of where we
> needed to provide service.
>
> I went home and told my wife "I think we can do this.". A few months later
> we were on our way.
>
> The original goal was to provide service to a few dozen of our closest
> neighbors, and get an almost no cost internet for ourselves. That turned into
> selling heroin to an addicted clientele (metaphorically speaking).
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> On 12/4/2020 12:37 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I think we saw our first Canopy March 2003.
>
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>
> Remember WISPCON? I think I attended WISPCON II in something like 2002.
> There was some startup called Motorola with a product called Canopy. Also a
> competitor called Trango. I probably still have a binder from the show in a
> bookcase somewhere. Not sure if Wireless Beehive existed yet.
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>
> That's how I came to create my email address (part15 Skyline Broadband
> Service). In my mind this place is still part 15, even though we manage to
> cover quite a range of topics.
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> On 12/4/2020 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> One day, mid day Michael was upset because someone cross posted or wrongly
> posted something about Motorola in a Trango list or some such thing. He was
> pretty much a list nazi about that because you had to subscribe to each list
> and he didn’t want Motorola folks from answering Trango questions if they
> were not a subscriber to both lists or something like that.
>
> In any event he was grouchy and trying to police this kind of stuff. And
> then he sent an email with I QUIT as the subject line.
> Then, like immediately, the list serve went down and stayed down. I was
> getting emails all afternoon about it and so I had my guys start up a list
> serv, put all the Motorola people on it and away we go.
>
> In a day or two, Michael became aware his site was down and fixed it but by
> then ... the barn door had been left open.
>
> I am sure he never forgave me. But we did it out of a want to keep in
> contact rather than malice. We had no idea the meaning of I QUIT. As it
> turns out he was just frustrated and the outage was just coincidental.
>
> Pretty sure part 15 went out of business because of this.
>
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:57 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I QUIT! jk
>
> What was the deal with Bullit anyway? Some sort of control issues?
>
> On 12/2/2020 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>
> Its all good Ken 😊
> Didn’t mean to sound defensive LOL.
> But if I get any more crap, I QUIT hahahah
> (only us “long-times” will get that reference)
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:29 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you.
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.
> 20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working
> aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a
> bunch of other things. Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than
> 10 tech phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3. We are well aware
> of future proofing and are doing that wherever possible. I think we have a
> few years at least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill
> towers. We overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds. Licensed BH
> links wherever possible. If I had a local company that could provide 50Mbit
> plans for less than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long. Not everyone
> would of course. ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage area, and
> we have lost 4 customers in 2 years to it.
> But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever
> comes back.
> They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing!
> I’m good 😊
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless. On
> the one hand, it’s magic not science. On the other hand, Elon Musk and
> T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded
> fiber.
> I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws,
> while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty. Very difficult,
> yet customers would rather be doing something else.
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
> Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> Theodolite will.
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> LOL, definitely not in LOS territory. 90% of our rural stuff won’t see the
> towers.
> We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the
> tower.
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add
> the estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones. That
> ticket could always be pulled up.
> As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once
> you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a
> tower, based on stored LAT / LONG
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
> Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> Google Earth
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
> Anyone have a favorite app?? (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG
> of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower
> from their location.
> Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..
> Thanks!
> Paul McCall, President
> Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
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