Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war
between Iran and the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the
merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, the latter was
a former British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they
control the capital and much of the territory and
have their own government structure. The
internationally recognized and Saudi supported
government moved to Adan in the south after the
Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like the
split might be roughly the former North Yemen under
control of the Houthis and the former South Yemen
under control of the internationally recognized
government. I seem to remember that the Houthis were
threatening to take control of the whole country when
the Saudis intervened. But the Saudis were mainly
just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare
them to Hezbollah, but maybe more like
revolutionaries, they control a good chunk of Yemen.
Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left
because of widespread terrorism and that was decades
ago. If a giant sinkhole swallowed the whole place,
we would probably say good riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill
Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another
Al-Qaeda kind of group?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in
the Red Sea from companies and countries that
support Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of
*Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats
in the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this
yesterday. Not particularly about blowing up
boats but about the competing interests in the
Trump administration re Venezuela. It's a great
30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a
landslide (30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it
but Rubio won out and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag.
You could always run the stars and bars,
at least they would presume you would be
armed and would fight.
*From:*AF
[mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is
going to protect me from the various
other countries that decide to even up
the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck
McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just
fine….
*From:*AF
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025
6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be
able to sail around the Caribbean and
South America without having to worry
about being randomly blown out of the
water for no reason at all. “Well,
the US said it was OK to kill people
in international waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM,
Jason McKemie
<[email protected]>
wrote:
It seems very telling that when
they blew up a boat and people
survived, they sent them back to
their home country vs prosecuting
them. You can't introduce that
testimony into the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM
Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is
perhaps a sign I should be in
therapy, but I just realized
one reason why the Coast
Guard is underappreciated or
at least unknown compared to
Army, Navy, Air Force and
Marines. They are part of DHS
not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling
itself the Department of War,
maybe DHS is just fine.
Although one is Hegseth and
the other is Noem, so flip a
coin.
Coast Guard is also much
smaller, has a smaller
budget, and a much smaller PR
budget. No money to toot
their own horn.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October
22, 2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the
ocean, I’d prefer to see a
Hawaii Five 0 style chase.
With McGarrett in a
speedboat, and at the end he
says “book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties
are an underappreciated
branch of the US military.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October
22, 2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
I prefer to see cartels
bombed. When they started
moving the fent, they chose
bombs. A little nose candy
here and there, some dope, a
little crystal, even some
heroin was manageable. But
these ducks decided to move
shit that one mistake kills.
Fuckbag dealers are putting
it it club drugs and on
vicodins. Kids don't have a
chance to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them.
Sink their boats, cut their
life jackets, chum the
waters, I don't care as long
as they die. They don't want
to give our kids a second
chance, their adults deserve
as terrible a death as
possible. Idgaf about human
rights, they don't, and I
have no interest in the high
road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM
Dev <[email protected]>
wrote:
Turns out drug dealers
sometimes get shot, who
knew? Maybe they were
delivering critical
supplies to orphanages,
because speedboats with
three engines mean urgent
care is being delivered
expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at
3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest
generation of US
Coast Guard “Over The
Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed
from a ramp on the
back of a larger
cutter along with
helicopters. These
things vaguely remind
me of the WWII PT boats.
I would not want to
try and outrun the
Coast Guard.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re:
[AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in
the Pacific
Yes, and that's the
primary argument
against this
practice. If we have
solid intel that
they're carrying
drugs, and we know
where they are, then
as soon as they enter
our territorial
waters we can board
the boat and arrest
them. The Coast
Guard doesn't need a
warrant or even a
specific reason to
board a boat. Some of
those boats are
faster than Cutters,
but I don't have
solid info on how
often they actually
escape when they're
already being
tracked. It's hard
to imagine they
really get away often
because the Coast
Guard also has
helicopters, and
they're allowed to
continue a pursuit
into international
waters (and onto
land) as long as the
pursuit started in US
waters.
Regardless of how
often they really get
away, it's not normal
to blow up someone's
boat as a law
enforcement action.
We also don't execute
drug traffickers, and
even when the state
executes someone
there's a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat
foreign terrorist
organizations as
enemy combatants
1. the executive
branch gets to
decide who counts
as an FTO. The
sec of state, sec
of treasury, and
attorney general
all have to
agree, but they
also all have the
same boss.
1. Nobody can really
stop the
executive branch
from declaring an
FTO.
1. Congress
could pass a
bill to
override
someone's
listing as an
FTO, but to
date they've
never done it.
1. The courts
could
overturn an
FTO listing,
but for a lot
of reasons
it's almost
impossible.
So effectively the
President and/or
their cabinet has a
completely legal
pathway to authorize
military force
against just about
anyone, and there's
very little anyone
can do about it. It's
not that I have
sympathy for drug
smugglers, it's that
all we can do is take
someone's word for it
that it was a drug
smuggler. If anyone
is totally
comfortable with that
then I'm curious what
your rationale is.
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*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
on behalf of Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG]
now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast
Guard was able to
intercept boats and
board them, arrest
people and confiscate
cargo. I seem to
remember they
specifically acquired
high speed boats that
were a match for
anything a drug
runner might have.
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