Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war
between Iran and the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger
of North Yemen and South Yemen, the latter was a former
British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control
the capital and much of the territory and have their own
government structure. The internationally recognized and
Saudi supported government moved to Adan in the south after
the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like the
split might be roughly the former North Yemen under control
of the Houthis and the former South Yemen under control of
the internationally recognized government. I seem to
remember that the Houthis were threatening to take control
of the whole country when the Saudis intervened. But the
Saudis were mainly just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them
to Hezbollah, but maybe more like revolutionaries, they
control a good chunk of Yemen. Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left
because of widespread terrorism and that was decades ago.
If a giant sinkhole swallowed the whole place, we would
probably say good riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda
kind of group?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red
Sea from companies and countries that support Israel’s
war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl
Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not
particularly about blowing up boats but about the
competing interests in the Trump administration re
Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a
landslide (30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but
Rubio won out and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You
could always run the stars and bars, at least
they would presume you would be armed and would
fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going to
protect me from the various other countries
that decide to even up the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able to
sail around the Caribbean and South America
without having to worry about being
randomly blown out of the water for no
reason at all. “Well, the US said it was
OK to kill people in international waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason
McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they
blew up a boat and people survived,
they sent them back to their home
country vs prosecuting them. You can't
introduce that testimony into the
public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is
perhaps a sign I should be in
therapy, but I just realized one
reason why the Coast Guard is
underappreciated or at least
unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air
Force and Marines. They are part
of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling itself
the Department of War, maybe DHS is
just fine. Although one is Hegseth
and the other is Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller,
has a smaller budget, and a much
smaller PR budget. No money to
toot their own horn.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025
10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d
prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style
chase. With McGarrett in a
speedboat, and at the end he says
“book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are
an underappreciated branch of the
US military.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025
8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed.
When they started moving the fent,
they chose bombs. A little nose
candy here and there, some dope, a
little crystal, even some heroin
was manageable. But these ducks
decided to move shit that one
mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are
putting it it club drugs and on
vicodins. Kids don't have a chance
to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink
their boats, cut their life
jackets, chum the waters, I don't
care as long as they die. They
don't want to give our kids a
second chance, their adults deserve
as terrible a death as possible.
Idgaf about human rights, they
don't, and I have no interest in
the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev
<[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers
sometimes get shot, who knew?
Maybe they were delivering
critical supplies to
orphanages, because speedboats
with three engines mean urgent
care is being delivered
expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at
3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest
generation of US Coast
Guard “Over The Horizon” boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a
ramp on the back of a
larger cutter along with
helicopters. These things
vaguely remind me of the
WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try and
outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October
22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
Yes, and that's the primary
argument against this
practice. If we have solid
intel that they're carrying
drugs, and we know where
they are, then as soon as
they enter our territorial
waters we can board the
boat and arrest them. The
Coast Guard doesn't need a
warrant or even a specific
reason to board a boat.
Some of those boats are
faster than Cutters, but I
don't have solid info on
how often they actually
escape when they're already
being tracked. It's hard
to imagine they really get
away often because the
Coast Guard also has
helicopters, and they're
allowed to continue a
pursuit into international
waters (and onto land) as
long as the pursuit started
in US waters.
Regardless of how often
they really get away, it's
not normal to blow up
someone's boat as a law
enforcement action. We
also don't execute drug
traffickers, and even when
the state executes someone
there's a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat
foreign terrorist
organizations as enemy
combatants
1. the executive branch
gets to decide who
counts as an FTO. The
sec of state, sec of
treasury, and attorney
general all have to
agree, but they also
all have the same boss.
1. Nobody can really stop
the executive branch
from declaring an FTO.
1. Congress could pass
a bill to override
someone's listing
as an FTO, but to
date they've never
done it.
1. The courts could
overturn an FTO
listing, but for a
lot of reasons it's
almost impossible.
So effectively the
President and/or their
cabinet has a completely
legal pathway to authorize
military force against just
about anyone, and there's
very little anyone can do
about it. It's not that I
have sympathy for drug
smugglers, it's that all we
can do is take someone's
word for it that it was a
drug smuggler. If anyone
is totally comfortable with
that then I'm curious what
your rationale is.
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*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
on behalf of Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October
22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard
was able to intercept boats
and board them, arrest
people and confiscate
cargo. I seem to remember
they specifically acquired
high speed boats that were
a match for anything a drug
runner might have.
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