Guys, there is no need for personal attacks here. I thought this was a friendly 
debate. How about we agree to disagree. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 16, 2015, at 1:20 PM, joseph marsh <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You got that right!!!
> On May 16, 2015 2:16 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
> >
> > I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet, not 
> > rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an absolute reason 
> > for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best networking tools work 
> > best on mac.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Brett A Mansfield
> >
> > > On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal democrats.
> > > 
> > > PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are for rich 
> > > conservative republicans.
> > > 
> > > Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican girls 
> > > (and later cheat with democrat divorcees).
> > > 
> > > Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too poor and 
> > > stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science.
> > > 
> > > Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk until some 
> > > republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage.
> > > 
> > > Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud, moonshine and 
> > > wrestling animals in a swamp.
> > > 
> > > Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on them, 
> > > hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes.
> > > 
> > > Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out  of an 
> > > old VW.
> > > Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet d'art 
> > > symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker.
> > > 
> > > And that  is why there are so many apple haters here...
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Brett A Mansfield
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM
> >
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
> > > 
> > > I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at apple. 
> > > There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems.
> > > 
> > > I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a lot 
> > > easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never changes. 
> > > It's the same for every model. The others change their gui quite 
> > > frequently.
> > > 
> > > Thank you,
> > > Brett A Mansfield
> > > 
> > >> On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure 
> > >> his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a 
> > >> Linksys or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide 
> > >> step-by-step phone support.
> > >> 
> > >> He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
> > >> 
> > >> He came back with a TimeMachine.
> > >> 
> > >> That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names 
> > >> for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have 
> > >> a router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, 
> > >> you have a TimeMachine.
> > >> 
> > >> But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop 
> > >> for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy 
> > >> all their groceries at Whole Foods.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
> > >> 
> > >> No doubt.
> > >> 
> > >> The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
> > >> be some proprietary interface.
> > >> 
> > >> bp
> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> > >> 
> > >>>> On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
> > >>>> the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
> > >>>> knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball 
> > >>>> game.
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Software developers need to do something.
> > >>> 
> > >>> ~Seth
> > > 
> >
> >

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