Yes, sanity still prevails on this. In 2013 even this Supreme Court rules genes found naturally-occurring cannot be patented. Processes, yes (e.g. splicing, gene synthesis). That is as it should be.
Patrick Leary, Telrad 727-501-3735 -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) He patented a process, not a mold. Patrick Leary wrote: > The medicine was patented, and not by Fleming, but by a later scientist who > took it into mass production, but at reasonable profit. Fleming (one of the > "inventers" who himself said he only discovered it, not invented it) did not > apply for the patent. > > Patrick Leary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:07 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > A patent on a common mold would be interesting. > > Patrick Leary wrote: >> The discovery of penicillin literally changed life for all of >> humanity. Imagine if Shkreli had invented it. Divorcing ethics from >> capitalism is a fool’s fairytale. Anyone who justifies it has never >> read about the history of the legal invention of “corporation.” >> >> -Patrick >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 11:40 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) >> >> You mean to tell me 200 years ago there wasn't any medicine? Sure >> it's far superior now, but in the 1800s they had basics. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Lewis Bergman >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no >> medicines worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while >> a fantastic advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, >> food, and shelter. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and >> everyone need to survive. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum >> <cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote: >> >> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it >> stop? Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? >> Other than congenital defects, and some accidents, most >> health problems are due to peoples choices. If our money >> is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", >> don't we get a say in how they live? How many other human >> rights are being trampled on then? >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> >> Should medicine really be part of a system of supply >> and demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you >> don't have to stay there - but when you have some >> medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you >> can certainly avoid) I think as a society and a >> culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains >> that pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated >> to date to innovate and health care or pharma is >> not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort >> yielding big results. These pharma companies have >> something like 7 years until the exclusivity >> period expires. That can be a pretty short time to >> recover investments. This particular case may be a >> bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken >> in America is simply ludicrous. >> >> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas >> Tech on a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was >> $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think that is >> price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the >> simple fact that there are fewer rooms available >> on that particular night than are demanded at >> $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where >> supply and demand come closer to being equal. At >> that price I still witnessed people turned away >> wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't >> think that is price gouging. Their hotel was full >> at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. >> Since the hotel was full they probably could have >> been even higher. >> >> I really don't understand what people have such a >> huge issue with the fundamental theory of supply >> and demand. Yes I understand that it is a >> potentially life saving drug. There are other >> cheaper treatments. Maybe they aren't as good, >> which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop >> rewarding people for the value they provide? I >> know this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously >> was willing to reward those who did with a price >> they thought fair. Sales over the next few years >> will prove if he made a mistake. >> >> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made >> for 5% over cost? Heck, why not only cover his >> cost? Why not less than cost and force him to >> provide his great product for the good of the >> people? There is a reason it is named Animal Farm. >> How many have read this book? While not about >> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central >> control that skulks below the overt argument for >> "controlling" this type of behavior. >> >> I know people might die. I'll put on my really >> jerky hat and say "so what?". People die every day >> for less meaning and in greater numbers. There is >> practically a mass suicide movement going on now >> with texting and driving. I don't see where people >> value there lives or others that much anyway when >> reading a text or email is more important than >> life itself. >> >> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give >> me the loose framework of a "fair market", >> whatever that is, and let the system fight it out. >> The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, >> stop trying to warp it to be that way. >> >> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry >> Christmas, Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets >> your boat floating. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary >> <patrick.le...@telrad.com >> <mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote: >> >> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can >> be arrested and charged if he doubles the >> price of gas, water, or other life-critical >> goods after a natural disaster – that’s a >> crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely >> legal for a company to raise a life-critical >> drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism in >> America. >> >> Shkreli is only the most written about >> example. This “business trend’ is all the rage >> and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a >> number of years now. >> >> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-d >> r >> ug-price-increases/ >> >> Patrick >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of >> *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli >> >> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were >> arrested today. Everybody knows him as the guy >> who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not >> know he live streams almost daily to his fans. >> >> Watch the first video, isn't he just like >> every annoying, entitled, slacker kid living >> in his parents basement that we have to deal >> with bitching about his Internet? Except he is >> CEO of a drug company. >> >> I didn't think it was possible to hate him >> more, but watch the video. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message >> has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of >> malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message >> has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of >> malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has >> been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious >> code, vandals & computer viruses. >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has >> been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious >> code, vandals & computer viruses. >> ********************************************************************* >> * >> ************** >> > > > > ********************************************************************** > ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been > scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses. > ********************************************************************** > ************** > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been > scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, > vandals & computer viruses. > ********************************************************************** > ************** > ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
