The medicine was patented, and not by Fleming, but by a later scientist who took it into mass production, but at reasonable profit. Fleming (one of the "inventers" who himself said he only discovered it, not invented it) did not apply for the patent.
Patrick Leary -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) A patent on a common mold would be interesting. Patrick Leary wrote: > > The discovery of penicillin literally changed life for all of > humanity. Imagine if Shkreli had invented it. Divorcing ethics from > capitalism is a fool’s fairytale. Anyone who justifies it has never > read about the history of the legal invention of “corporation.” > > -Patrick > > *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 11:40 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > You mean to tell me 200 years ago there wasn't any medicine? Sure > it's far superior now, but in the 1800s they had basics. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Lewis Bergman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no > medicines worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while > a fantastic advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, > food, and shelter. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and > everyone need to survive. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it > stop? Why are others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? > Other than congenital defects, and some accidents, most > health problems are due to peoples choices. If our money > is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", > don't we get a say in how they live? How many other human > rights are being trampled on then? > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply > and demand? I'd agree on the whole hotel thing - you > don't have to stay there - but when you have some > medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you > can certainly avoid) I think as a society and a > culture we shouldn't deny a basic human right. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains > that pure capitalism is the best way demonstrated > to date to innovate and health care or pharma is > not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort > yielding big results. These pharma companies have > something like 7 years until the exclusivity > period expires. That can be a pretty short time to > recover investments. This particular case may be a > bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken > in America is simply ludicrous. > > I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas > Tech on a Friday. Thursday night at the hotel was > $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think that is > price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the > simple fact that there are fewer rooms available > on that particular night than are demanded at > $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where > supply and demand come closer to being equal. At > that price I still witnessed people turned away > wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't > think that is price gouging. Their hotel was full > at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. > Since the hotel was full they probably could have > been even higher. > > I really don't understand what people have such a > huge issue with the fundamental theory of supply > and demand. Yes I understand that it is a > potentially life saving drug. There are other > cheaper treatments. Maybe they aren't as good, > which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop > rewarding people for the value they provide? I > know this jerk didn't invent it but he obviously > was willing to reward those who did with a price > they thought fair. Sales over the next few years > will prove if he made a mistake. > > Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made > for 5% over cost? Heck, why not only cover his > cost? Why not less than cost and force him to > provide his great product for the good of the > people? There is a reason it is named Animal Farm. > How many have read this book? While not about > capitalism it does speak to the kind of central > control that skulks below the overt argument for > "controlling" this type of behavior. > > I know people might die. I'll put on my really > jerky hat and say "so what?". People die every day > for less meaning and in greater numbers. There is > practically a mass suicide movement going on now > with texting and driving. I don't see where people > value there lives or others that much anyway when > reading a text or email is more important than > life itself. > > I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give > me the loose framework of a "fair market", > whatever that is, and let the system fight it out. > The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, > stop trying to warp it to be that way. > > Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry > Christmas, Happy Hanuka, or whatever else gets > your boat floating. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can > be arrested and charged if he doubles the > price of gas, water, or other life-critical > goods after a natural disaster – that’s a > crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely > legal for a company to raise a life-critical > drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism in > America. > > Shkreli is only the most written about > example. This “business trend’ is all the rage > and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a > number of years now. > > http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-dr > ug-price-increases/ > > Patrick > > *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of > *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli > > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were > arrested today. Everybody knows him as the guy > who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not > know he live streams almost daily to his fans. > > Watch the first video, isn't he just like > every annoying, entitled, slacker kid living > in his parents basement that we have to deal > with bitching about his Internet? Except he is > CEO of a drug company. > > I didn't think it was possible to hate him > more, but watch the video. > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message > has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of > malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > ************** > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message > has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of > malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > ************** > > > > > ********************************************************************** > ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been > scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, > vandals & computer viruses. > ********************************************************************** > ************** > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been > scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, > vandals & computer viruses. > ********************************************************************** > ************** > ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
