You mean to tell me 200 years ago there wasn't any medicine? Sure it's far superior now, but in the 1800s they had basics.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no medicines > worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while a fantastic > advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, food, and shelter. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need to >> survive. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >> >>> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are >>> others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects, >>> and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our >>> money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we >>> get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled >>> on then? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >> Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand? I'd >>>> agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when >>>> you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can >>>> certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a >>>> basic human right. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism >>>>> is the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma >>>>> is not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. >>>>> These >>>>> pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period >>>>> expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This >>>>> particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken >>>>> in America is simply ludicrous. >>>>> >>>>> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. >>>>> Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think >>>>> that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that >>>>> there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are demanded >>>>> at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come >>>>> closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away >>>>> wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price >>>>> gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 >>>>> again. >>>>> Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher. >>>>> >>>>> I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the >>>>> fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a >>>>> potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe >>>>> they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop >>>>> rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't >>>>> invent >>>>> it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they >>>>> thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a >>>>> mistake. >>>>> >>>>> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? >>>>> Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to >>>>> provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it >>>>> is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about >>>>> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below >>>>> the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior. >>>>> >>>>> I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so >>>>> what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. >>>>> There >>>>> is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and >>>>> driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much >>>>> anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself. >>>>> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose >>>>> framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight >>>>> it >>>>> out. The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp >>>>> it >>>>> to be that way. >>>>> >>>>> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy >>>>> Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary < >>>>> patrick.le...@telrad.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged >>>>>> if he doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods >>>>>> after a >>>>>> natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely >>>>>> legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s >>>>>> capitalism in America. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’ >>>>>> is all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of >>>>>> years now. >>>>>> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody >>>>>> knows him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he >>>>>> live streams almost daily to his fans. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, >>>>>> slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with >>>>>> bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>>> computer viruses. >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>>> computer viruses. >>>>>> >>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>> >>>>>>
