I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no medicines worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while a fantastic advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, food, and shelter.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need to > survive. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are >> others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects, >> and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our >> money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we >> get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled >> on then? >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand? I'd >>> agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when >>> you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can >>> certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a >>> basic human right. >>> >> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism >>>> is the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma >>>> is not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These >>>> pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period >>>> expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This >>>> particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken >>>> in America is simply ludicrous. >>>> >>>> I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. >>>> Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think >>>> that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that >>>> there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are demanded >>>> at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come >>>> closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away >>>> wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price >>>> gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. >>>> Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher. >>>> >>>> I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the >>>> fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a >>>> potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe >>>> they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop >>>> rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent >>>> it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they >>>> thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a >>>> mistake. >>>> >>>> Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? >>>> Heck, why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to >>>> provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it >>>> is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about >>>> capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below >>>> the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior. >>>> >>>> I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so >>>> what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. There >>>> is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and >>>> driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much >>>> anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself. >>>> I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose >>>> framework of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight it >>>> out. The word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp it >>>> to be that way. >>>> >>>> Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy >>>> Hanuka, or whatever else gets your boat floating. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged >>>>> if he doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods after >>>>> a >>>>> natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely >>>>> legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s >>>>> capitalism in America. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’ >>>>> is all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of >>>>> years now. >>>>> http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody >>>>> knows him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he >>>>> live streams almost daily to his fans. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, >>>>> slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with >>>>> bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>> computer viruses. >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>> computer viruses. >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>> >>>>>
