There are still a lot of abandoned Winstar 38 GHz radios on rooftops in Seattle. That failed because, IMHO, it was just too early. The radios they used were only DS3 capacity, and back in 1999 or so, routers capable of building a metro OSPF+BGP+MPLS capable ring and spoke topology network were costly (did you ever price a 7206XR with NPE-400 when those were top of the line?).
With 1Gbps full duplex radios and routers that cost less than $700 per building, it's a very different game. Combine that with the ability to bring low cost 10GbE fiber fed circuits into key buildings to get network traffic off microwave and onto proper backbone infrastructure. The 10GbE optical interfaces go in the same $700 routers. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: > Sounds like ole Windstar playbook...lots of abandoned 31 and 38Ghz ptp > radios left on rooftops > On Jan 6, 2016 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Increase the MRC for the customer significantly and this can be done (in >> a dense central area of a city) with high-capacity PTP only, zero PtMP, >> using 24, 60 and 80 GHz radios. >> >> Needs an access agreement for each rooftop that allows for a minimum of 3 >> radios on each roof so that you can build rings and redundancy. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I would like to know what kind of equipment you plan on using to deliver >>> those speeds at that price reliably. I don’t think anything will do that >>> in pmp mode that I would consider business class quality. So are you going >>> to be using a tone of license links at $7000 grand a pop? Even at 100 mbps >>> plan, pmp 450 can not really do that, so what is your plan? Please don’t >>> say Ubnt. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Craig R. Schmaderer* >>> >>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.* >>> >>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>* >>> >>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>* >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Judd Lists >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:14 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, commercial service mainly. I might consider some residential, but >>> I'm going for the opposite end of the spectrum as I did when I started in >>> this industry 15 years ago. Back then, I wanted to deliver the cheapest >>> and lowest cost service to anyone and everyone. Now I'm focused on >>> providing only the top, highest quality service to the clients who are >>> willing to pay the price. Oh.. and under promise, over deliver. >>> >>> From a customer perspective, I got a call yesterday from Comcast, to >>> upgrade my 65Mbps to 150Mbps for $3/Month more than I'm currently paying >>> and it would include TV and the online streaming/subscriptions, etc, for >>> $69.95/Month. They pump that to $85/Month after the 12 month contract is >>> up. They had a non-contract deal for $79/Month, same 150Mbps plan. >>> >>> However, my business consulting clients pay $120-200/Month for just >>> Internet speeds from Comcast ranging from 18Mbps low end to 80Mbps high end >>> at $200-205/month. That's the market I'll be after. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You’ve been out of it for 5-7 years? From your description, I hope you >>> are targeting business customers. Otherwise, be prepared, residential >>> customers have become very “entitled” in the past 5-7 years. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Judd Lists <[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:55 PM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>> >>> >>> >>> Listening in for now. Thought I'd pop on a couple lists since I'm >>> designing a new WISP and going to be bringing in some investors in the next >>> few months. >>> >>> Going to be focusing on delivering 100-300Mbps plans or better (yes, via >>> wireless) and will be doing some fiber planning for long-term. >>> >>> Working on getting the first GigE backhaul and a few POP's allocated. >>> >>> Hello again! I've been mostly consulting and doing other things the >>> last 5-7 years, but wireless is still a passion for me and I love it so >>> much I'm getting back into it full-time. >>> >>> Judd Dare >>> Mega Secure >>> >>> >>> >> >>
