I'm talking about "one real router per building" router, not the radios.... Either something like a 6503E with dual sup32 and one extra linecard (or 6506E), or a Mikrotik CCR of some variety. Or for stub sites a metro ethernet L3 static routes capable switch that speaks BGP for iBGP (3750G or similar), singlehomed to a building that has a real router.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: > 1GBps Full Duplex for $ 700.00 ? Educate me please.... > On Jan 6, 2016 4:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If I remember right, they also didn’t qualify buildings very well, they >> installed on a lot of small office buildings where they were never going to >> be profitable. It seems they were just staking out rooftops, not looking >> at whether they could make money given the number and type of tenants. It >> was also around the time DSL was being rolled out, and some of those >> buildings didn’t have a single tenant who needed more than what DSL could >> do. >> >> They were smart in getting the leasing agent or building management to >> help sell in return for free or discounted service, but if no one in the >> building needs what you’re selling, that’s not a good business model, all >> expense and no revenue. Smarter would have been to only go where they >> already had a big anchor tenant wanting service, or several smaller tenants >> ready to sign up. >> >> Or maybe I’m thinking of Teligent. I lump them together in my mind. >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:24 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >> >> There are still a lot of abandoned Winstar 38 GHz radios on rooftops in >> Seattle. That failed because, IMHO, it was just too early. The radios they >> used were only DS3 capacity, and back in 1999 or so, routers capable of >> building a metro OSPF+BGP+MPLS capable ring and spoke topology network were >> costly (did you ever price a 7206XR with NPE-400 when those were top of the >> line?). >> >> With 1Gbps full duplex radios and routers that cost less than $700 per >> building, it's a very different game. Combine that with the ability to >> bring low cost 10GbE fiber fed circuits into key buildings to get network >> traffic off microwave and onto proper backbone infrastructure. The 10GbE >> optical interfaces go in the same $700 routers. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like ole Windstar playbook...lots of abandoned 31 and 38Ghz ptp >>> radios left on rooftops >>> On Jan 6, 2016 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Increase the MRC for the customer significantly and this can be done >>>> (in a dense central area of a city) with high-capacity PTP only, zero PtMP, >>>> using 24, 60 and 80 GHz radios. >>>> >>>> Needs an access agreement for each rooftop that allows for a minimum of >>>> 3 radios on each roof so that you can build rings and redundancy. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would like to know what kind of equipment you plan on using to >>>>> deliver those speeds at that price reliably. I don’t think anything will >>>>> do that in pmp mode that I would consider business class quality. So are >>>>> you going to be using a tone of license links at $7000 grand a pop? Even >>>>> at 100 mbps plan, pmp 450 can not really do that, so what is your plan? >>>>> Please don’t say Ubnt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Craig R. Schmaderer* >>>>> >>>>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.* >>>>> >>>>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>* >>>>> >>>>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Judd Lists >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:14 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, commercial service mainly. I might consider some residential, >>>>> but I'm going for the opposite end of the spectrum as I did when I started >>>>> in this industry 15 years ago. Back then, I wanted to deliver the >>>>> cheapest >>>>> and lowest cost service to anyone and everyone. Now I'm focused on >>>>> providing only the top, highest quality service to the clients who are >>>>> willing to pay the price. Oh.. and under promise, over deliver. >>>>> >>>>> >From a customer perspective, I got a call yesterday from Comcast, to >>>>> upgrade my 65Mbps to 150Mbps for $3/Month more than I'm currently paying >>>>> and it would include TV and the online streaming/subscriptions, etc, for >>>>> $69.95/Month. They pump that to $85/Month after the 12 month contract is >>>>> up. They had a non-contract deal for $79/Month, same 150Mbps plan. >>>>> >>>>> However, my business consulting clients pay $120-200/Month for just >>>>> Internet speeds from Comcast ranging from 18Mbps low end to 80Mbps high >>>>> end >>>>> at $200-205/month. That's the market I'll be after. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You’ve been out of it for 5-7 years? From your description, I hope >>>>> you are targeting business customers. Otherwise, be prepared, residential >>>>> customers have become very “entitled” in the past 5-7 years. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Judd Lists <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:55 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Listening in for now. Thought I'd pop on a couple lists since I'm >>>>> designing a new WISP and going to be bringing in some investors in the >>>>> next >>>>> few months. >>>>> >>>>> Going to be focusing on delivering 100-300Mbps plans or better (yes, >>>>> via wireless) and will be doing some fiber planning for long-term. >>>>> >>>>> Working on getting the first GigE backhaul and a few POP's allocated. >>>>> >>>>> Hello again! I've been mostly consulting and doing other things the >>>>> last 5-7 years, but wireless is still a passion for me and I love it so >>>>> much I'm getting back into it full-time. >>>>> >>>>> Judd Dare >>>>> Mega Secure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
