If I remember right, they also didn’t qualify buildings very well, they installed on a lot of small office buildings where they were never going to be profitable. It seems they were just staking out rooftops, not looking at whether they could make money given the number and type of tenants. It was also around the time DSL was being rolled out, and some of those buildings didn’t have a single tenant who needed more than what DSL could do.
They were smart in getting the leasing agent or building management to help sell in return for free or discounted service, but if no one in the building needs what you’re selling, that’s not a good business model, all expense and no revenue. Smarter would have been to only go where they already had a big anchor tenant wanting service, or several smaller tenants ready to sign up. Or maybe I’m thinking of Teligent. I lump them together in my mind. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! There are still a lot of abandoned Winstar 38 GHz radios on rooftops in Seattle. That failed because, IMHO, it was just too early. The radios they used were only DS3 capacity, and back in 1999 or so, routers capable of building a metro OSPF+BGP+MPLS capable ring and spoke topology network were costly (did you ever price a 7206XR with NPE-400 when those were top of the line?). With 1Gbps full duplex radios and routers that cost less than $700 per building, it's a very different game. Combine that with the ability to bring low cost 10GbE fiber fed circuits into key buildings to get network traffic off microwave and onto proper backbone infrastructure. The 10GbE optical interfaces go in the same $700 routers. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: Sounds like ole Windstar playbook...lots of abandoned 31 and 38Ghz ptp radios left on rooftops On Jan 6, 2016 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: Increase the MRC for the customer significantly and this can be done (in a dense central area of a city) with high-capacity PTP only, zero PtMP, using 24, 60 and 80 GHz radios. Needs an access agreement for each rooftop that allows for a minimum of 3 radios on each roof so that you can build rings and redundancy. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Craig Schmaderer <[email protected]> wrote: I would like to know what kind of equipment you plan on using to deliver those speeds at that price reliably. I don’t think anything will do that in pmp mode that I would consider business class quality. So are you going to be using a tone of license links at $7000 grand a pop? Even at 100 mbps plan, pmp 450 can not really do that, so what is your plan? Please don’t say Ubnt. Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judd Lists Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! Yes, commercial service mainly. I might consider some residential, but I'm going for the opposite end of the spectrum as I did when I started in this industry 15 years ago. Back then, I wanted to deliver the cheapest and lowest cost service to anyone and everyone. Now I'm focused on providing only the top, highest quality service to the clients who are willing to pay the price. Oh.. and under promise, over deliver. >From a customer perspective, I got a call yesterday from Comcast, to upgrade my 65Mbps to 150Mbps for $3/Month more than I'm currently paying and it would include TV and the online streaming/subscriptions, etc, for $69.95/Month. They pump that to $85/Month after the 12 month contract is up. They had a non-contract deal for $79/Month, same 150Mbps plan. However, my business consulting clients pay $120-200/Month for just Internet speeds from Comcast ranging from 18Mbps low end to 80Mbps high end at $200-205/month. That's the market I'll be after. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: You’ve been out of it for 5-7 years? From your description, I hope you are targeting business customers. Otherwise, be prepared, residential customers have become very “entitled” in the past 5-7 years. From: Judd Lists Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! Listening in for now. Thought I'd pop on a couple lists since I'm designing a new WISP and going to be bringing in some investors in the next few months. Going to be focusing on delivering 100-300Mbps plans or better (yes, via wireless) and will be doing some fiber planning for long-term. Working on getting the first GigE backhaul and a few POP's allocated. Hello again! I've been mostly consulting and doing other things the last 5-7 years, but wireless is still a passion for me and I love it so much I'm getting back into it full-time. Judd Dare Mega Secure
