1GBps Full Duplex for $ 700.00 ? Educate me please.... On Jan 6, 2016 4:54 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If I remember right, they also didn’t qualify buildings very well, they > installed on a lot of small office buildings where they were never going to > be profitable. It seems they were just staking out rooftops, not looking > at whether they could make money given the number and type of tenants. It > was also around the time DSL was being rolled out, and some of those > buildings didn’t have a single tenant who needed more than what DSL could > do. > > They were smart in getting the leasing agent or building management to > help sell in return for free or discounted service, but if no one in the > building needs what you’re selling, that’s not a good business model, all > expense and no revenue. Smarter would have been to only go where they > already had a big anchor tenant wanting service, or several smaller tenants > ready to sign up. > > Or maybe I’m thinking of Teligent. I lump them together in my mind. > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:24 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! > > There are still a lot of abandoned Winstar 38 GHz radios on rooftops in > Seattle. That failed because, IMHO, it was just too early. The radios they > used were only DS3 capacity, and back in 1999 or so, routers capable of > building a metro OSPF+BGP+MPLS capable ring and spoke topology network were > costly (did you ever price a 7206XR with NPE-400 when those were top of the > line?). > > With 1Gbps full duplex radios and routers that cost less than $700 per > building, it's a very different game. Combine that with the ability to > bring low cost 10GbE fiber fed circuits into key buildings to get network > traffic off microwave and onto proper backbone infrastructure. The 10GbE > optical interfaces go in the same $700 routers. > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sounds like ole Windstar playbook...lots of abandoned 31 and 38Ghz ptp >> radios left on rooftops >> On Jan 6, 2016 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Increase the MRC for the customer significantly and this can be done (in >>> a dense central area of a city) with high-capacity PTP only, zero PtMP, >>> using 24, 60 and 80 GHz radios. >>> >>> Needs an access agreement for each rooftop that allows for a minimum of >>> 3 radios on each roof so that you can build rings and redundancy. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to know what kind of equipment you plan on using to >>>> deliver those speeds at that price reliably. I don’t think anything will >>>> do that in pmp mode that I would consider business class quality. So are >>>> you going to be using a tone of license links at $7000 grand a pop? Even >>>> at 100 mbps plan, pmp 450 can not really do that, so what is your plan? >>>> Please don’t say Ubnt. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Craig R. Schmaderer* >>>> >>>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.* >>>> >>>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>* >>>> >>>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Judd Lists >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:14 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, commercial service mainly. I might consider some residential, but >>>> I'm going for the opposite end of the spectrum as I did when I started in >>>> this industry 15 years ago. Back then, I wanted to deliver the cheapest >>>> and lowest cost service to anyone and everyone. Now I'm focused on >>>> providing only the top, highest quality service to the clients who are >>>> willing to pay the price. Oh.. and under promise, over deliver. >>>> >>>> >From a customer perspective, I got a call yesterday from Comcast, to >>>> upgrade my 65Mbps to 150Mbps for $3/Month more than I'm currently paying >>>> and it would include TV and the online streaming/subscriptions, etc, for >>>> $69.95/Month. They pump that to $85/Month after the 12 month contract is >>>> up. They had a non-contract deal for $79/Month, same 150Mbps plan. >>>> >>>> However, my business consulting clients pay $120-200/Month for just >>>> Internet speeds from Comcast ranging from 18Mbps low end to 80Mbps high end >>>> at $200-205/month. That's the market I'll be after. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> You’ve been out of it for 5-7 years? From your description, I hope you >>>> are targeting business customers. Otherwise, be prepared, residential >>>> customers have become very “entitled” in the past 5-7 years. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Judd Lists <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 5:55 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Listening in for now. Thought I'd pop on a couple lists since I'm >>>> designing a new WISP and going to be bringing in some investors in the next >>>> few months. >>>> >>>> Going to be focusing on delivering 100-300Mbps plans or better (yes, >>>> via wireless) and will be doing some fiber planning for long-term. >>>> >>>> Working on getting the first GigE backhaul and a few POP's allocated. >>>> >>>> Hello again! I've been mostly consulting and doing other things the >>>> last 5-7 years, but wireless is still a passion for me and I love it so >>>> much I'm getting back into it full-time. >>>> >>>> Judd Dare >>>> Mega Secure >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
