Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face
causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is
much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot.
Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any
difference.
LMR 600 LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09
cable size .590" 1/2"
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NAOn the other hand, if you
really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4"
Andrews connectors.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but rarely....we also use Andrew
> superflex....
> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per
>> frequency range.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew 1/2 Heliax
>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
>>>> was? I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss
>>>> will work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
>>>>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>>>> www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>*
>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
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>>>>> [email protected] <[email protected]>*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that
>>>>> if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that
>>>>> it
>>>>> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
>>>>> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>>>>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>>>>>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a
>>>>>>> wire
>>>>>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
>>>>>>>> was dealing with. We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof
>>>>>>>> down to
>>>>>>>> the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
>>>>>>>> this is a very newly renovated building. Will keep that in mind!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>>>>>>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] | Emergency Support:
>>>>>>>> 1.866.759.9713
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>>>>> 915-861-1390
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually
>>>>>>>>> read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on
>>>>>>>>> Android).
>>>>>>>>> We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> the windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd
>>>>>>>>> purchased the windows with RF film.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plexicomm.net/>www.plexicomm.net
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plexicomm.net/>*
>>>>>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>>>>>>>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] <[email protected]>*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use
>>>>>>>>> the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
>>>>>>>>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to
>>>>>>>>> reset the power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these
>>>>>>>>> don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> time to get a lock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very
>>>>>>>>>> accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My
>>>>>>>>>> oneplus one
>>>>>>>>>> will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+
>>>>>>>>>> from any
>>>>>>>>>> window. Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>>>>>>>>>> something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> to tiny channel size and very basic modulation.
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" <
>>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also
>>>>>>>>>>> fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile
>>>>>>>>>>> of where
>>>>>>>>>>> the customer address is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the
>>>>>>>>>>> user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that
>>>>>>>>>>> prevents a
>>>>>>>>>>> VPN?
>>>>>>>>>>> �
>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A
>>>>>>>>>>> address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A
>>>>>>>>>>> address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind
>>>>>>>>>>> Cisco ASA
>>>>>>>>>>> firewall (which I don't manage).
>>>>>>>>>>> �
>>>>>>>>>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means
>>>>>>>>>>> something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
