Yea. Cisco is another company that realized they could leverage their
name by buying some crap, slapping a logo on it, and jacking the
price. They never realized there are a bunch of people that then think
a lot less of the brand.
Kind of like Black&Decker. They used to make strictly great stuff
decades ago then they started making a discount brand and you could
never tell after that if you were buying their crap or good line. Now
everything they sell is crap.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:19 PM Faisal Imtiaz
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup
router etc..)
It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a
OOB dial-up modem connection.
Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a
firewall / vpn etc.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco. I was
helping a customer today figure out a remote site we don’t
serve, he was on the phone and sending me photos of what their
corporate IT had set up. There was a shiny new Cisco 1921
router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the wall that
I assumed was a T1 smartjack. But I had him read me the P/N
on the WIC card, and it was a WIC-1AM-V2. I looked it up, and
that’s a V.92 analog modem card. They bought a whole 1921
router for a dialup modem line.
*From:* Lewis Bergman <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When
you do install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600
still is faster with just as good and solid a connector.
Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections on a
job and it really adds up.
But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Personal preference... having installed thousands and
thousands feet of it since 1993....have the tools for
prepping cables....the connectors install correctly will
not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels like
RG 58 thicker brother. I have used LMR when supplied by
client. I can drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along
with connectors. No wait no shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for
newbies I concede your point. I prefer Betty over
Veronica and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my story and
I am sticking to it.
On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who
have little experience will end up damaging heliax or
leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a
building, LMR600 is much less likely to be damaged.
1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot. Unless you are
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make
any difference.
LMR 600 LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09
cable size .590" 1/2"
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NA
On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you
a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews
connectors.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but
rarely....we also use Andrew superflex....
On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the
thousands of feet. It is much easier to run,
less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss
per frequency range.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Andrew 1/2 Heliax
On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That's most helpful! Do you have any
idea what kind of cable that was? I'm
assuming anything that will handle
1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam
Kirsch <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he
said they took an SMB <-> N
Connector and ran LMR to the
roof. Hope that helps.
*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
www.plexicomm.net
<http://www.plexicomm.net>**
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
<tel:1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
1.866.852.4688 <tel:1.866.852.4688>*
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
<tel:1.866.759.9713> |
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<mailto:[email protected]>*
------ Original Message ------
From: "TJ Trout" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon
"network extender"
It's an SMB connector, but
again I find it really had to
believe that if you stick it
outside until you get a good
sync and power it down that it
won't resync indoors, I've
never tried inside of a
nuclear bunker, but in normal
houses and offices with tile
and metal roofs I've never had
one issue.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39
PM, Bill Prince
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Yeah. Something like that.
All I recall is it was ~~
1/4" or so in diameter.
Don't quote me on that. I
am disavowing all knowledge.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 9:34
PM, "Bill Prince"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
The Verizon cell
extender (made by
Samsung) has a
little connector
(don't recall the
type, but it's
about the size of
MCM or so). Put a
wire on the end of
the coax, and
you're there.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/9/2016 10:33
AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
How did you
get a GPS
antenna from
the roof to
the SCS box?
Josh Luthman
Office:
937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>
Direct:
937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Feb 9,
2016 at 1:28
PM, samuel
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Verizon's
Samsung
SCS series
3G and 4G
Network
Extender
is what I
was
dealing
with. We
had to run
our own
GPS
antenna
from the
roof down
to the
basement
to get the
damn thing
to sync
properly.
As an
aside, I
didn't
realize
the Low E
windows
were code
now, and
this is a
very newly
renovated
building.
Will keep
that in mind!
-- Sam
Kirsch,
Network
Tech Support
Plexicomm
Internet
Solutions
Office:
1.866.759.4678
x109
<tel:1.866.759.4678%20x109>
| Fax:
1.866.852.4688
<tel:1.866.852.4688>
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
|
Emergency
Support:
1.866.759.9713
<tel:1.866.759.9713>
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-----Original
Message-----
From:
"Jaime
Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To:
"Animal Farm"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date:
02/09/16
10:39 AM
Subject:
Re:
[AFMUG] Verizon
"network
extender"
cell
booster or
gps
booster?
Jaime
Solorza
Wireless
Systems
Architect
915-861-1390
<tel:915-861-1390>
On
Tue,
Feb 9,
2016
at
8:15
AM,
Sam
Kirsch
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Pull
out a
GPS App
on
your
phone
and make
sure
you can
actually
read
the
satellites
from
behind
the window
(I
used
'GPS
Test'
on
Android).
We
had to
install
one of
these
boosters
and were
troubleshooting
why the
damn
thing
wasn't
working
when
I
noticed
that
my
phone
GPS receiver
was working
in
rooms
where
the windows
were
open
and not
working
in
rooms
where
the windows
were
closed.
Building
management
didn't
even
know
they'd
purchased
the windows
with
RF
film.
*-- Samuel
Kirsch,
Network
Support
Plexicomm
-
Internet
Solutions
|
www.plexicomm.net
<http://www.plexicomm.net/>**
Office:
1.866.759.4678
x109
|
Fax:
1.866.852.4688*
*Emergency
Support:
1.866.759.9713
|
**
<mailto:[email protected]>*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>**
------
Original
Message
------
From:
"Adam
Moffett"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To:
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent:
2/9/2016
9:50:42
AM
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG]
Verizon
"network
extender"
It
might
not
be
just
a matter
of
getting
the
location.
If
they
use
the
1pps
clock
from
GPS
to
calibrate
an
oscillator
before
they
start
transmitting,
then
it
would
legitimately
take
20-30
minutes.
Telrad
BTS's
are
like
that
too.
Pisses
me
off
if
I ever
have
to
reset
the
power.
On
2/9/2016
12:12
AM,
Jason
McKemie
wrote:
For
whatever
reason,
the
receivers
that
they
use
in
some
of
these
don't
seem
to
be
"modern"
at
all.
They
frequently
take
an
excessively
long
time
to
get
a
lock.
On
Monday,
February
8,
2016,
Eric
Kuhnke
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Modern
GPS
receivers
work
surprisingly
well,
if
not
very
accurately,
from
inside
a single
floor
wood
framed
house...
My
oneplus
one
will
pick
up
6 satellites
while
standing
in
a central
hallway
15'+
from
any
window.
Should
be
accurate
enough
to
get
a location
within
75'.
All
bets
are
off
if
it
is
a concrete
framed
apartment
building
or
something
like
that.
I still
find
it
amazing
that
anything
works
at
-162
RSL.
Thanks
to
tiny
channel
size
and
very
basic
modulation.
On
Feb
8,
2016
6:46
PM,
"Bill
Prince"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
wrote:
Canopy
NAT
seems
to
break
it
with
regularity.
It
might
also
fail
if
the
GPS
location
that
it
reports
is
not
within
a 1/4
mile
of
where
the
customer
address
is.
Also
requires
enough
GPS
(like
near
a window)
to
get
a GPS
lock.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
2/8/2016
3:34
PM,
Ken
Hohhof
wrote:
What
are
the
typical
reasons
for
these
not
to
work?�
From
the
user
guide
it
appears
to
use
IPSEC,
so
I assume
anything
that
prevents
a VPN?
�
Verizon
support
told
the
customer
they
needed
a Class
A address.�
WTF?�
Did
they
maybe
mean
it
can't
be
a class
A address?�
Customer
uses
10.x.x.x
addresses
internally,
behind
Cisco
ASA
firewall
(which
I don't
manage).
�
I do
see
some
udp/500
and
udp/4500
packets,
I think
that
means
something
is
using
UDP
for
IPSEC
NAT
traversal?
