Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?

bp
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On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.


On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Andrew 1/2  Heliax

    On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman"
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    wrote:

        That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable
        that was?  I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz
        with minimal loss will work?


        Josh Luthman
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        On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB
            <-> N Connector and ran LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.
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            ------ Original Message ------
            From: "TJ Trout" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
            To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
            It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to
            believe that if you stick it outside until you get a good
            sync and power it down that it won't resync indoors, I've
            never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal
            houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never
            had one issue.

            On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~
                1/4" or so in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am
                disavowing all knowledge.

                bp
                <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

                Josh Luthman
                Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
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                On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has
                    a little connector (don't recall the type, but
                    it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on
                    the end of the coax, and you're there.

                    bp
                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                    On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
                    How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to
                    the SCS box?


                    Josh Luthman
                    Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                    Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                    1100 Wayne St
                    Suite 1337
                    Troy, OH 45373

                    On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G
                        Network Extender is what I was dealing
                        with. We had to run our own GPS antenna
                        from the roof down to the basement to get
                        the damn thing to sync properly.

                        As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E
                        windows were code now, and this is a very
                        newly renovated building. Will keep that in
                        mind!

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                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "Jaime Solorza"
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>>
                            To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>>
                            Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
                            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network
                            extender"

                            cell booster or gps booster?

                            Jaime Solorza
                            Wireless Systems Architect
                            915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>

                            On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam
                            Kirsch <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                Pull out a GPS App on your phone
                                and make sure you can actually read
                                the satellites from behind the
                                window (I used 'GPS Test' on
                                Android). We had to install one of
                                these boosters and were
                                troubleshooting why the damn thing
                                wasn't working when I noticed that
                                my phone GPS receiver was working
                                in rooms where the windows were
                                open and not working in rooms where
                                the windows were closed. Building
                                management didn't even know they'd
                                purchased the windows with RF film.
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                                ------ Original Message ------
                                From: "Adam Moffett"
                                <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                                Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon
                                "network extender"
                                It might not be just a matter of
                                getting the location. If they use
                                the 1pps clock from GPS to
                                calibrate an oscillator before
                                they start transmitting, then it
                                would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

                                Telrad BTS's are like that too.
                                Pisses me off if I ever have to
                                reset the power.


                                On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason
                                McKemie wrote:
                                For whatever reason, the
                                receivers that they use in some
                                of these don't seem to be
                                "modern" at all. They frequently
                                take an excessively long time to
                                get a lock.

                                On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric
                                Kuhnke <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:

                                    Modern GPS receivers work
                                    surprisingly well, if not
                                    very accurately, from inside
                                    a single floor wood framed
                                    house... My oneplus one will
                                    pick up 6 satellites while
                                    standing in a central hallway
                                    15'+ from any window. Should
                                    be accurate enough to get a
                                    location within 75'.

                                    All bets are off if it is a
                                    concrete framed apartment
                                    building or something like that.

                                    I still find it amazing that
                                    anything works at -162 RSL.
                                    Thanks to tiny channel size
                                    and very basic modulation.

                                    On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill
                                    Prince"
                                    
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                                    wrote:

                                        Canopy NAT seems to break
                                        it with regularity. It
                                        might also fail if the
                                        GPS location that it
                                        reports is not within a
                                        1/4 mile of where the
                                        customer address is.

                                        Also requires enough GPS
                                        (like near a window) to
                                        get a GPS lock.

                                        bp
                                        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                        On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken
                                        Hohhof wrote:
                                        What are the typical
                                        reasons for these not to
                                        work?� From the user
                                        guide it appears to use
                                        IPSEC, so I assume
                                        anything that prevents a
                                        VPN?
                                        �
                                        Verizon support told the
                                        customer they needed a
                                        Class A address.�
                                        WTF?� Did they maybe
                                        mean it _can't_ be a
                                        class A address?�
                                        Customer uses 10.x.x.x
                                        addresses internally,
                                        behind Cisco ASA
                                        firewall (which I don't
                                        manage).
                                        �
                                        I do see some udp/500
                                        and udp/4500 packets, I
                                        think that means
                                        something is using UDP
                                        for IPSEC NAT traversal?









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