Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with just as good and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections on a job and it really adds up. But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: > Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it > since 1993....have the tools for prepping cables....the connectors install > correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels like RG > 58 thicker brother. I have used LMR when supplied by client. I can > drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors. No wait no > shipping cost. > Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for newbies I concede > your point. I prefer Betty over Veronica and Mary Ann over Ginger. So > that's my story and I am sticking to it. > On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience >> will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face >> causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is >> much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot. >> Unless you are running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any >> difference. >> >> LMR 600 LDF4-50A >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09 >> cable size .590" 1/2" >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97 >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA >> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NAOn the other hand, if you >> really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" >> Andrews connectors. >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but rarely....we also use >>> Andrew superflex.... >>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is >>>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per >>>> frequency range. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Andrew 1/2 Heliax >>>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that >>>>>> was? I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss >>>>>> will work? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N >>>>>>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope that helps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions | >>>>>>> www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>* >>>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: >>>>>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>* >>>>>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | >>>>>>> [email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe >>>>>>> that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down >>>>>>> that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear >>>>>>> bunker, >>>>>>> but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> one issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in >>>>>>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector >>>>>>>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a >>>>>>>>> wire >>>>>>>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I >>>>>>>>>> was dealing with. We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof >>>>>>>>>> down to >>>>>>>>>> the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, >>>>>>>>>> and this is a very newly renovated building. Will keep that in mind! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support >>>>>>>>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions >>>>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] | Emergency Support: >>>>>>>>>> 1.866.759.9713 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cell booster or gps booster? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>>>>>>> 915-861-1390 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually >>>>>>>>>>> read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on >>>>>>>>>>> Android). >>>>>>>>>>> We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting >>>>>>>>>>> why the >>>>>>>>>>> damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in >>>>>>>>>>> rooms where >>>>>>>>>>> the windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd >>>>>>>>>>> purchased the windows with RF film. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> | <http://www.plexicomm.net/>www.plexicomm.net >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plexicomm.net/>* >>>>>>>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688* >>>>>>>>>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] <[email protected]>* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they >>>>>>>>>>> use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they >>>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to >>>>>>>>>>> reset the power. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of >>>>>>>>>>> these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an >>>>>>>>>>> excessively >>>>>>>>>>> long time to get a lock. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very >>>>>>>>>>>> accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My >>>>>>>>>>>> oneplus one >>>>>>>>>>>> will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ >>>>>>>>>>>> from any >>>>>>>>>>>> window. Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building >>>>>>>>>>>> or something like that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> to tiny channel size and very basic modulation. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" < >>>>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also >>>>>>>>>>>>> fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile >>>>>>>>>>>>> of where >>>>>>>>>>>>> the customer address is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>> lock. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From >>>>>>>>>>>>> the user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>> prevents >>>>>>>>>>>>> a VPN? >>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A >>>>>>>>>>>>> address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class >>>>>>>>>>>>> A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cisco ASA >>>>>>>>>>>>> firewall (which I don't manage). >>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means >>>>>>>>>>>>> something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
