Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup router etc..)
It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a OOB dial-up modem connection. Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a firewall / vpn etc. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" > Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco. I was helping a > customer > today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone and sending > me photos of what their corporate IT had set up. There was a shiny new Cisco > 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the wall that I assumed > was a T1 smartjack. But I had him read me the P/N on the WIC card, and it was > a > WIC-1AM-V2. I looked it up, and that’s a V.92 analog modem card. They bought a > whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line. > From: Lewis Bergman > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" > Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do install > thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with just as good > and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few hundred connections > on a job and it really adds up. > But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it. > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] > > wrote: >> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it >> since >> 1993....have the tools for prepping cables....the connectors install >> correctly >> will not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels like RG 58 thicker >> brother. I have used LMR when supplied by client. I can drive 15 minutes to >> Epcom and buy it along with connectors. No wait no shipping cost. >> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for newbies I concede your >> point. I prefer Betty over Veronica and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my >> story and I am sticking to it. >> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience >>> will >>> end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing >>> issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much >>> less >>> likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot. Unless you are >>> running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference. >>> LMR 600 LDF4-50A >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09 >>> cable size .590" 1/2" >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NA On the other hand, if you really >>> like it >>> I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors. >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] > >>> wrote: >>>> I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but rarely....we also use Andrew >>>> superflex.... >>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is >>>>> much >>>>> easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency >>>>> range. >>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza < [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Andrew 1/2 Heliax >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was? >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work? >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch < [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N >>>>>>>> Connector and ran >>>>>>>> LMR to the roof. Hope that helps. >>>>>>>> -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support >>>>>>>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net >>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 >>>>>>>> Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | [email protected] >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that >>>>>>>>> if you >>>>>>>>> stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it >>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>> resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in >>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>> houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue. >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in >>>>>>>>>> diameter. >>>>>>>>>> Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge. >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX? >>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector >>>>>>>>>>>> (don't recall >>>>>>>>>>>> the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the >>>>>>>>>>>> end of the >>>>>>>>>>>> coax, and you're there. >>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was dealing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with. We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basement to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the damn thing to sync properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very newly renovated building. Will keep that in mind! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cell booster or gps booster? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 915-861-1390 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually read the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android). We had to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damn thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working in rooms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the windows with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RF film. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they use the 1pps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transmitting, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reset the power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these don't seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately, from inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick up 6 satellites >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should be accurate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to get a location within 75'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building or something like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to tiny channel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size and very basic modulation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]') ;> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also fail if the GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the customer address >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the user guide it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a VPN? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address.� WTF?� Did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they maybe mean it can't be a class A address?� >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Customer uses 10.x.x.x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't manage). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means something is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
