"I'm pretty convinced this is *not* about getting the data off of that phone, and more about using this event as leverage to force apple to give the government tools to be able to do this with any phone."
That's exactly what this is. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <[email protected]> To: "af" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:40:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The technically-minded articles I've read pretty much agree with this, and then some. The FBI wants them to develop a *special release* of iOS which will allow the government to bypass the security on a phone. This isn't a 'here apple, get us the data off of the phone' thing. This is a 'you are required to develop the tools to hack a phone and give them to us' issue. At the point the FBI has access to those tools, it pretty much undermines all of the security built into the phone. Apple is saying 'we're not going to do any such thing'. And then, the government is saying to the press: "All we want is the data off this phone and Apple is refusing". At which the public says 'apple should help the government decrypt the phone'. To which the government is saying: "They've done it before, why not now?". What they don't realize is that apple fixed it such that even they don't have the correct tools to do so. I'm pretty convinced this is *not* about getting the data off of that phone, and more about using this event as leverage to force apple to give the government tools to be able to do this with any phone. -forrest On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Jeremy Grip < [email protected] > wrote: My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption. What was that Machiavelli said about power?And possession of those tools is a lot of power. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2016, at 6:05 PM, George Skorup < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the device. On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: <blockquote> But they're not actually asking for a back door, are they?� They're just saying 'hey, we have this physical device, can we give it to you, and you get us the data off of it'?� I've got to think that the Engineers at apple have a way to do this thought up.� Although at the same time, If they're trying to unlock the phone, couldn't the Gov't with it's vast resources, just simply make a bit by bit copy of the flash chip in the phone and just go through and try every unlock code? On 2/19/2016 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: <blockquote> Yup. Google agrees as well. On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook should be in Jail for failing to comply with the order.� On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: <blockquote> ... What? Seriously? On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Treason? </blockquote> </blockquote> -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 [email protected] | http://www.packetflux.com
