What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that matter since they're also capable of FDD.

On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't sufficient?

Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

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*From: *"John Seaman" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion can both radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx. However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx. Both models now support buffer size up to 8 MB.

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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0
    with a license key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t
    spell it out very well on their website, but it looks like the
    major differences between Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC,
    and maybe the interface and powering options?  So that you could
    still double the throughput as long as you can license a different
    frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the issue of the
    wired interface speed.

    *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
    *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

    I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex
    Lynx has been rock solid for going on four years now.  It does
    700Mbps FDX.  I believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to
    1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.

    On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Why in the world would they buy Exalt?

        On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            I thought Crisco bought out Exalt

            On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big
sale through the end of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops, I just found the email, and it’s everything but
                6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone
                else was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz?

                *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of
                *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
                *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

                First I have to find out if there are channels in this
                area.

                Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...

                Not a simple path to engineer.

                *From:*Daniel White

                *Sent:*Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM

                *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

                Well you can only use 60MHz channels max. That helps
                make it more competitive.

                6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you
                just won’t have the link budget.  Also depends if
                you’re going all outdoor or split-mount/all-indoor.

                I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with
                the solution your most comfortable with.

                My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or
                SIAE. DragonWave Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a
                look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz availability
                since it just started shipping.

                Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could
                look at some things.

                Daniel White

                Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

                ConVergence Technologies

                Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

                [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

                *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
                *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
                *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
                *Subject:* [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

                Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?

                
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