You got it:

Posts of snark, posts so cussed 
full of butt hurt, bitches not just 
I scatter these posts, these posts of rage 
take thine ignorant friend, make him age 
I see thine missives before me now 
I trash them, delete them, filter them down 
With these keystrokes I now do pwn 
Make thine mouse balls turn to stone 
With this hex I curse this thread 
further thoughts -  pain in head 
So mote it be! 

From: Mitch Koep 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 5:38 PM
To: ; Faisal Imtiaz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

Will somebody PLEASE kill this string?????

LOL it will go on and on forever


On 8/6/2017 3:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Are you prepared to give your customers a 'Tour of the Facilities?'

We normally like to have a tour of the facilities before we engage for service.

We also have 'informal' colo facilities, for which we highly encourage 
customers to visit before deciding to utilize.

How does this 'relate' to a pictures of racks and cables ? which could be 

BWT.... in case you all have not seen the large posters from Equinix.... they 
are using a beautiful picture of high rises in Dubai... should we be offended 
that  are they using an awesome picture of high-rises from a foreign country 
when they are a US Based company ? 

Dude, get over it .. .there is a fine line in advertising.... and everyone 
dresses up for the formal presentation .... So What ? 


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:

From: "Matt Hoppes"
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:03:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

So let me throw this out. I advertise a colo facility with generator backup. 

Post pictures like this. 

Actual facility is a back room in an office with racks from Lowe's and a roll 
out generator we plug in with extension cords. 

At what point is this a problem?

On Aug 6, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mike Hammett <> wrote:

Pre-patch a bunch of stuff into pre-populated SFPs and when orders are 
submitted, the data center's cross connect crew does all the work. No need to 
visit the facility regularly.  :-)

Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Paul Stewart" <>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:35:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

I'm not sure IX employees ever really work in the MMR, rarely in the data 
center at all. Once a month? Once every other month?

Depends on the IX (as I get off topic here) … some of them are daily in MMR’s.  
As for DC’s themselves, I can speak personally about one IX in particular where 
it’s 2-3 times a week I’d estimate and another one that is manned within the DC 

An MMR not maintained by volunteers, but the paid building management. No one's 
volunteered blood, sweat and tears went into it. Someone paid to do it was.

True … but lots of volunteers from IX’s sometimes have access to the MMR’s to 
do their work. It varies of course… quite a number of IX’s use colo providers 
whom are paid to do that MMR work but that’s not alway the case ….

Anyways - moot points here and I’m dropping from the conversation as probably 
not helping here :)  

Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Paul Stewart" <>
To: "Animal Farm" <>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:56:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

I believe the issue is that the picture may not represent the actual IX in 
question (or MMR of the building where the IX is located might be more 
accurate).  Basically, and pardon me possibly putting words in some people’s 
mouthes here, when a group of people put a lot of work into something and then 
a picture of that work is used elsewhere to possibly resemble where a potential 
employee would work then it’s just misleading and could be considered offensive 
to the people who did all the work originally ….. make sense? 

You’ll notice my choice of words here because I’m making assumptions about why 
the folks involved are upset and try to put myself in their shoes, at which 
point, if I have all my facts straight, I would be quite upset as well because 
it would look like someone else is taking complete credit for someone else’s 
work …. In the world of IX’s (something I do know a lot about) there is often 
people who don’t get pay checks as they volunteer however they get the rewards 
to contributing towards a great thing for the community … if you haven’t been 
involved at that level you may not understand anything I’m suggesting here ….


On Aug 5, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Mitch Koep <> wrote:
Why are you so upset?
Did you have a bad dealing with someone and this is get back at them time?
I agree with Faisal it's a picture

On 8/5/2017 11:29 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Share with you a related story....

I was in a Conf. room of one of our Colo Facilities Providers, they had some 
pictures on their Conf. Room wall, which all were nice.. but there was one 
picture that caught eye and appeared to be very familiar.. it was a picture of 
cluster of antennas mounted on the roof of that facility...

Upon a closer look, I recognized that that cluster was our antennas ! ... so 
instantly two emotions came to mind... one was .. Hey that is a nice picture ! 
I know to whom that stuff belongs to !... and the second... How dare you take 
pictures of my equipment and hang it your conf. room (we don't buy roof access 
from them)  !...

To me personally, the former feeling overcame the latter reaction... and I 
actually felt proud of our little Cluster that someone viewed presentable 
enough to put in their conf. room.

Having said that.. if you are not the copyright owner of the photo.. then why 
does it bother you at all ? Hopefully you should feel proud that picture of an 
actual facility you know is being liked by others and being promoted on the 

and that is IMHO !

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and your mileage may vary !.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:

From: "Eric Kuhnke"
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 7:38:33 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Matt Hoppes and Missouri IX

I am not the copyright owner of the photo in question. This is only a request. 

Please stop using the photo of the Westin Building 1901 fiber meet-me room to 
advertise the Missouri IX. 

Property owners and ISPs in the Pacific Northwest have spent a great deal of 
time, money and effort building traffic exchange infrastructure.

In my opinion is not an accurate or factual depiction of whatever facilities 
may currently exist in Missouri to use a photograph from a carrier hotel in 
downtown Seattle.


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