MIKE> can you identify one creative, real world problem that can be solved by sets?
SERGIO> Easy. I already have, and I published it. I have used causets to solve problems of object-oriented analysis. This is a creative task. You talk to a subject-matter engineer, he explains to you what he wants, and you are supposed to CREATE objects, classes of objects, hierarchies, software, user interfaces, etc. Not your taste? Sorry, I have to start somewhere, I can't do everything at the same time. MIKE> That is the final solution. And it is a single solution (or single set). MIKE> sets have nothing to do with creative, real world problems. Then why are you using sets? Answer: sets have no special powers. You use them because they help you to express. MIKE> The light bulb will be ever refined and ever new alternatives found. SERGIO> Of course. But that's only because we acquire new information, we learn. Current light bulbs use knowledge that was not available to Edison when he designed his. Likewise, the squirrel changes strategy on the go, as he learns. He may start climbing a tree and the LEARN that I came too close and decide to jump to the next tree. Just to find out that there is another squirrel in that tree defending its territory. That is creative, is it not? Lesson: behaviors depend on information, information determines behaviors. But information constantly changes, and behaviors follow, giving the impression that the squirrel creatively adjusts its behavior to the circumstances. This is how creativity works. Mike, please stop describing complexity to me. I know what it is. Start telling me what you plan to do about it. Really, what do you plan to do about complexity? I am doing what I can. Are you? Sergio From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:41 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The 2 Tests of AGI - generalizability & creativity We only do - loosely speaking - one thing at a time. When I add 22 + 22 - I come to one thing, 44. Ditto if I I deduce from if p then q, p.... I come to one thing, q. Similarly, when Edison finished solving the problem of electric light, he came up with one thing - one light bulb, at a certain point. But the mental procedures of coming to the one solution in rational and creative problems are opposite. And the options at the end - when I have produced that one thing are also different. IN a rational problem, there are no more options. That is the final solution. And it is a single solution (or single set). But in a creative problem, the solution is only one of an infinity or world of possible solutions - and, it is typically, just the start of further actual solutions. The light bulb will be ever refined and ever new alternatives found. IN addition, in a creative problem, people often present multiple solutions not just - multiple designs for a new light bulb. Ditto, the squirrel's reactions and human reactions are capable of further alternatives and refinement, and typically receive further refinement - and may involve multiple rather than single reactions. And to repeat, logic and sets have nothing to do with creative, real world problems. I've answered your question, now answer mine - can you identify one creative, real world problem that can be solved by sets? ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
