I agree with Jim Bromer. Partly I guess it depends how Tononi defines consciousness. I've studied it very generally, but not in detail. Intuitively, he seems to have identified an essential component but by no means everything.... Obviously our consciousness is saturated in feedback, but just having a feedback property does not make a computer conscious. What is a more complete definition under IIT? It can't be just feedback... what I have seen of IIT looks interesting.
On 2/13/17, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Your Central Metabolic Control System (CMCS) is clearly both intelligent > and independent. It appears to have abilities approximating a PhD Control > Systems Engineer, and often works at cross purposes to your conscious > intentions to keep you alive and healthy. > > CMCS malfunctions often look a LOT like demonic possession. > > Steve > > On Feb 11, 2017 12:11 PM, "Dr Miles Dyson" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > When I fall asleep and loose consciousness, the neurons in my brain do not > rearrange themselves such that no feedback loops exist. And there are many > feedback loops that exist in the brain, but I don't have many > consciousnesses, I have but one. For both of those reasons consciousness > and neural net feedback loops are not one and the same thing. > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't concur, but it is an interesting placement of the minimum for >> (machine) 'consciousness'. I did not realize that 'stateless' 'pure >> functions' could be called 'feed forward'. If global effects were >> sufficient to induce 'consciousness' then any program with global effects >> could be called conscious. Even assuming that you were being more >> specific >> than that I still don't think structures that can carry states between >> calls (in the ways that you were thinking) would be sufficient for >> conscious behaviors to emerge.. >> >> Jim Bromer >> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I've been promoting Integrated Information Theory for a while but I >>> finally sat down and read the whole thing yesterday. >>> >>> Explicitly it mentions that feed forward neuronets are 'zombies' or >>> unconscious while recurrent neuronets are conscious due to the feedback >>> loops. >>> >>> So now I'm wondering which classical programming structures are >>> 'zombies' >>> and which are conscious. >>> >>> It would seem by analogy that stateless or pure functions are zombies >>> since they simply feed forward. >>> >>> Wheras structures that carry state between calls such as objects and >>> actors are conscious. >>> >>> Do you concur? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail and OpenKeychain. >>> my fingerprint is bd7e 6e2a e625 6d47 f7ed 30ec >>> 86d8 fc7c fad7 2729 >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
