On Jan 24, 2008 4:29 AM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just about all humans claim to have an awareness of sensations, thoughts, and > feelings, and control over decisions they make, what we commonly call > "consciousness". A P-zombie would make such claims too (because by definition > a P-zombie is indistinguishable from human), so belief in consciousness is not > the same as consciousness. It is easy to test for this belief in humans. > Just ask them.
Well, you just said that you can't actually tell a p-zombie from a conscious person, so 'just ask them' hardly qualifies. > Awareness requires episodic memory. If you do not remember an event, then you > were not aware of it. If you are not aware of an event, then you will not > remember it. In this sense, we could demonstrate awareness in animals by > testing for episodic memory in a way that doesn't rely on language. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory#Episodic_memory_in_animals So, you say that episodic memory is an aspect of consciousness and presence of episodic memory (partially) indicates consciousness? Or belief in consciousness? If consciousness doesn't exist, it must be a belief. -- Vladimir Nesov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=89553435-9bc467
