--- Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 4:29 AM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just about all humans claim to have an awareness of sensations, thoughts, > and > > feelings, and control over decisions they make, what we commonly call > > "consciousness". A P-zombie would make such claims too (because by > definition > > a P-zombie is indistinguishable from human), so belief in consciousness is > not > > the same as consciousness. It is easy to test for this belief in humans. > > Just ask them. > > Well, you just said that you can't actually tell a p-zombie from a > conscious person, so 'just ask them' hardly qualifies.
That is a test for belief in consciousness, not a test for consciousness. > > > > Awareness requires episodic memory. If you do not remember an event, then > you > > were not aware of it. If you are not aware of an event, then you will not > > remember it. In this sense, we could demonstrate awareness in animals by > > testing for episodic memory in a way that doesn't rely on language. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory#Episodic_memory_in_animals > > So, you say that episodic memory is an aspect of consciousness and > presence of episodic memory (partially) indicates consciousness? Or > belief in consciousness? If consciousness doesn't exist, it must be a > belief. Episodic memory is an aspect of belief in consciousness. Consciousness does not exist. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=89578900-fbf565
