Ben,

On 4/16/08, Benjamin Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Steve Richfield said (regarding his Dr Eliza system):
>
> I cannot see ANY argument that it is NOT novel AI. Certainly no one
> > expressed any such doubts at the WORLDCOMP conferences where it was
> > presented and demonstrated.
> >
>
> Maybe, but WORLDCOMP doesn't appear to be a particularly serious
> conference. Your "papers" included many pages of off-topic ranting, that
> simply would not be accepted at a legitimate venue.


Some were accepted and presented. Some were accepted and then dropped for
various reasons, some were never accepted, and some are just rough drafts.


> Novelty isn't a matter of consensus opinion. It doesn't matter how your
> system has been recieved by others in the past. Even though your explanation
> of the system is sketchy, I see a lot in common with Expert Systems and I'm
> not the only one on this list saying the same thing. Expert systems are more
> than just "fault trees" - visit the library of your local university and
> carefully check out a book on the topic (it doesn't matter if the book is 15
> years old). Surely it is in your best interest and in the spirit of honest
> scientific research to follow up this lead in detail to discover whether you
> are reinventing the wheel, rather than attempting to ignore our suggestions
> and argue the point?
>
> I've read your additional comments on this list and still stand by my
> claims that as far as I can tell from your description of Dr Eliza, it
> probably isn't novel AI. If there is any innovation, my feeling is that it
> lies in having found a user-interface that may lead to better user
> acceptance of an Expert System.


I have been discussing this in depth with Mark. I suggest lurking and
jumping in at the end if you disagree with Mark's handling. In a nutshell,
as I see it, the fundamental departure is in the cause-and-effect chain link
handling. Since this is deeply embedded in the structure of the knowledge
base (take a look at the relationships diagram, the Link Types table, etc.
in the Knowledge.mdb file), it underlies the operation, much of which is
very similar to old Expert Systems.

Steve Richfield

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