Well, I think you might have overreacted to his writing style for cultural reasons
However, I also think that -- to be Americanly blunt -- you're very unlikely to learn anything from conversing with Mike, nor to make much positive impact on his own understanding by conversing with him. So in this case, I reckon the cultural factors are kind of irrelevant ;-) ben On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Pei Wang <mail.peiw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Richard and Ben, > > If you think I, as a Chinese, have overreacted to Mike Tintner's > writing style, and this is just a culture difference, please let me > know. In that case I'll try my best to learn his way of communication, > at least when talking to British and American people --- who knows, it > may even improve my marketing ability. ;-) > > Pei > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote: > > > > And when a Chinese doesn't answer a question, it usually means "No" ;-) > > > > Relatedly, I am discussing with some US gov't people a potential project > > involving customizing an AI reasoning system to emulate the different > > inferential judgments of people from different cultures... > > > > ben > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Richard Loosemore <r...@lightlink.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Ben Goertzel wrote: > >>> > >>> yeah ... that's not a matter of the English language but rather a > matter > >>> of the American Way ;-p > >>> > >>> Through working with many non-Americans I have noted that what > Americans > >>> often intend as a "playful obnoxiousness" is interpreted by > non-Americans > >>> more seriously... > >> > >> Except that, in fact, Mike is not American but British. > >> > >> As a result of long experience talking to Americans, I have discovered > >> that what British people intend as routine discussion, Americans > interpret > >> as serious, intentional obnoxiousness. And then, what Americans (as you > >> say) intend as playful obnoxiousness, non-Americans interpret more > >> seriously. > >> > >> > >> > >> Richard Loosemore > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> I think we had some mutual colleagues in the past who favored such a > >>> style of discourse ;-) > >>> > >>> ben > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Pei Wang <mail.peiw...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:mail.peiw...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org > >>> <mailto:b...@goertzel.org>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > IMHO, Mike Tintner is not often rude, and is not exactly a > >>> "troll" because I > >>> > feel he is genuinely trying to understand the deeper issues > >>> related to AGI, > >>> > rather than mainly trying to stir up trouble or cause irritation > >>> > >>> Well, I guess my English is not good enough to tell the subtle > >>> difference in tones, but his comments often sound that "You AGIers > are > >>> so obviously wrong that I don't even bother to understand what you > are > >>> saying ... Now let me tell you ...". > >>> > >>> I don't enjoy this tone. > >>> > >>> Pei > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> agi > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Goertzel, PhD > > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > > Director of Research, SIAI > > b...@goertzel.org > > > > "I intend to live forever, or die trying." > > -- Groucho Marx > > > > ________________________________ > > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI b...@goertzel.org "I intend to live forever, or die trying." -- Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=123753653-47f84b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
