On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: >> On 11/19/2017 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Reuben Staley >> wrote: >> > > Title: Putting Agora on a Map v3 >> > > Author: Trigon >> > > Co-Authors: Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada >> > >> > Just to be clear; you're consciously getting rid of shinies, and >> > making it so you need Land to make Coins, but you need Coins to >> > buy land. I'm really asking you to address this, I would greatly >> > appreciate it. I'm trying to understand why this is not a circular >> > collapse like we've been going through already. >> >> I don't have an answer for that. On the one hand this makes it seem like we >> should reimplement shinies; however I'm hesitant to do that because it would >> distance the main economy from this mechanic which is going to be central to >> Agoran play if this proposal is passed. So we can't keep it the way it is or >> the economy will crash, but we can't change it back without ruining the plans >> for this proposal. > > (I'm assuming this reply wasn't meant to be private - redirecting to > discussion!) > > How about this: The proposal I just pended should fix Shinies more or > less, to the extent that you don't have to repeal them and they can be > used as the Auction Currency in your proposal. You can forget about them > otherwise. > > Once someone's tested it through your production cycle, we turn off the > Shiny-pays-for-Pend and Shiny-pays-for-CFJ so the only way to pend/cfj > is through your cycle. Finally, once we're sure there's coins in > circulation, we can finally retire shinies for coins. > > My main motivation - we've literally spent the last few months on shiny > bugs, ironed many out, and I'm just paranoid about going through such > a thing again. It's *really* good to run through some cycles and > say "yep, it all works" before you trust Pending and CFJing. (That's > what AP were meant to be, the temporary "we know it works" kludge while > we were testing shinies - my shinies proposal basically finishes that > phase off by repealing AP). >
I'm not sure shinies are a good or fair starting point. I just go a bunch of money, partly because I invested in a stamp, but partly because I happened to be around and able to respond quickly to the situation before money ran out. I'm not sure shinies are an indicator of actual contribution, and this might provide an opportunity to start over. Also, keeping shinies around as a way to pay for things might discourage people from investing in the new economy, because what's the point in getting paper if you can do everything it can more cheaply with shinies? -Aris
