>I'll give you a different scenario. You have Windows Vista. Lots of >viruii and trozan[sic] apps. So, in Vista sp2, Bill Gates decides >that from now on you can't install anything unless it comes from the >Microsoft store. Is that how you handle it? Well, that's what Apple, >Verizon, and several other phone related companies are doing. If >Apple gives me an IPhone for free, OK. Tell me what I can/can't >install. You know why Android rules? You're not going to have that >problem (hopefully ?). I have a t-mobile dash, and I can install apps >if I want. Great. If I get a virus? Shame on me. You choose to >either be treated like a child or an adult. I choose to be an adult. Well, you can always unlock the phone and do whatever you like with it. The IPhone will not send you jail for this. But once you do this you are no longer under their wing.
On May 4, 5:46 pm, "Kevin Galligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't let it go. I know. I'm terrible. > > "Let just assume that you are CEO of Apple (well just assume). Will you > allow any unknown distributor/developer go use your app store to > distribute random virus/trozan? Will Android doing the same? What is > the best method to control these situation?" > > Let's look at this. > > "Let just assume that you are CEO of Apple (well just assume)" > > Awesome. Cashola. > > "Will you > allow any unknown distributor/developer go use your app store to > distribute random virus/trozan? Will Android doing the same? What is > the best method to control these situation?" > > I'll give you a different scenario. You have Windows Vista. Lots of > viruii and trozan[sic] apps. So, in Vista sp2, Bill Gates decides > that from now on you can't install anything unless it comes from the > Microsoft store. Is that how you handle it? Well, that's what Apple, > Verizon, and several other phone related companies are doing. If > Apple gives me an IPhone for free, OK. Tell me what I can/can't > install. You know why Android rules? You're not going to have that > problem (hopefully ?). I have a t-mobile dash, and I can install apps > if I want. Great. If I get a virus? Shame on me. You choose to > either be treated like a child or an adult. I choose to be an adult. > > Now, please go off on me and tell me why that is stupid or I should > look things up before I post. > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dude. Its a newsweek article. Its not like I just pulled it out of the > > air. > > > I assume by your response that you're pro-iPhone, which is fine. I > > asked because I figured people would have the info and would like to > > share it. Especially somebody who was, you know, pro-iPhone. You're > > not in that group of people, which is fine. I'd ask that you not > > criticize me asking questions, please ... > > > As for "critic-idiot", I missed your interview in Newsweek. I'll look > > for it next time. > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:48 PM, ConAim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So, to clarify, I can write and distribute what I want for the > > > iphone? > > > I can charge nothing and do an ad based thing? I can build in house > > > apps, and have them on the iphones? Apple can't pull the plug on my > > > app at their discretion? > > > > Well, which all these question, why don't you answer it to youself. > > > Let just assume that you are CEO of Apple (well just assume). Will you > > > allow any unknown distributor/developer go use your app store to > > > distribute random virus/trozan? Will Android doing the same? What is > > > the best method to control these situation? > > > > As far as I know, there are certain rules that you need to follow, why > > > don't you go and gather some info. rather than look at some iPhone > > > crititic-idiot guys? > > > Do some more research before response, please... > > > > On May 4, 2:18 pm, "Pierre N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't see where my response and Jonathan Zittrain statement don't > > > > jive, so clearly he is not full of it ! > > > > Yes, they can refuse your app (killing it is slightly overstated, but > > > > hey we all need sensational titles don't we ?) and I said so in my > > > > reply. > > > > But saying they can refuse your app because you are competing with > > > > them is not funded. There is a clear (I have to admit that it might > > > > not be complete) list of reasons why they would refuse to distribute > > > > your app (look at the keynote, porn, spyware/malware are some of them) > > > > and competing with them is not one of them. If you see a reference to > > > > this in the Newsweek article let me know, that's something worth > > > > blogging about ! > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Yes. Actually reading is the way to go. I stand corrected. > > > > > > I did read somewhere that they could yank your app if they felt like > > > > > it, and that you required approval from apple to distribute your > > app, > > > > > which I assumed would make in house apps unreasonable. > > > > > > Ah!!! I remember!!! My opinion was formed by the "random blog > > entry" > > > > > of Newsweek... > > > > > >http://www.newsweek.com/id/135150 > > > > > > "... an iPhone can only be changed by Steve Jobs or soon, with the > > > > > software development kit, by programmers that he personally approves > > > > > that go through his iPhone apps store ..." > > > > > > The author being interviewed said the following, pretending to be > > Steve Jobs ... > > > > > > "OK, we're going to allow third-party apps, but you can't just hand > > an > > > > > app to someone, you have to put it through the iPhone store, and we > > > > > reserve the right to take a cut for every app. And if we don't like > > > > > the app, we can kill it." > > > > > > So, to clarify, I can write and distribute what I want for the > > iphone? > > > > > I can charge nothing and do an ad based thing? I can build in > > house > > > > > apps, and have them on the iphones? Apple can't pull the plug on my > > > > > app at their discretion? > > > > > > It would seem your response and the guy being interviewed by > > newsweek > > > > > don't jive. That guy is selling a book, so, you know. Maybe he's > > > > > full of it. > > > > > > Anybody else want to chime in? Bueller? Bueller? > > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Pierre N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> Android can stand up on his own, you don't need to try to put down > > the > > > > >> iPhone to feel better about Android. > > > > >> They will both coexist happily and the (possible) demise of one > > will > > > > >> not make the other one better. > > > > >> While I agree with what you said about Android, I feel the need to > > > > >> correct a few wrong statements regarding your iPhone affirmations > > : > > > > > >> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > I'll respond to this. I think the platform itself is great. > > Here's why. > > > > > >> > - The iphone is polished, but Apple is like a totalitarian > > state. You > > > > >> > can do whatever you want, as long as Steve is OK with it. You > > want to > > > > >> > have an app on the iPhone? Better hope they like it. > > > > > >> True > > > > > >> > You also better > > > > >> > hope they don't decide to compete with you. Yank. Your app is > > out of > > > > >> > the store. > > > > > >> Don't think it's true, are you basing this statement on some real > > > > >> event or even a random blog entry ? > > > > > >> > Also, I believe you can't just give it away. YOu need to > > > > >> > charge, and they take a cut. You want to develope something > > open > > > > >> > source and give it out? Not happening (as far as I know. I > > could be > > > > >> > wrong). > > > > > >> You are wrong, it's even clearly mentioned on the main iPhone SDK > > page : > > > > >> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/ > > > > >> "The iPhone Developer Program provides a complete and integrated > > > > >> process for developing, debugging, and distributing your free, > > > > >> commercial, or in-house applications for iPhone and iPod touch." > > > > > >> > You want to write some in-house app for a business or > > > > >> > whatever? I don't think you can do that. > > > > > >> Wrong again > > > > > >> I totally agree with everything else you've written > > > > > >> > [...] > > > > > >> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM, ConAim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > This is a Google's fishing game; they throw out 50 pieces of > > baits and > > > > >> > > got overwhelm response on the number of fishes from around > > the world. > > > > >> > > I'm sure they will get some big whale and some big shark on > > this > > > > >> > > game.... lol. > > > > > >> > > The fact is they just want to throw out some money to get > > their > > > > >> > > Android platform out there. Yes, they success on trying to > > get some > > > > >> > > attention on us developers and the more developers involved > > the more > > > > >> > > chance that there will be a good hardware vendors that > > willing to > > > > >> > > partnering with them. But then ask yourself this question, > > do you > > > > >> > > think this Android is worth it? Look back at their SDK and > > see it for > > > > >> > > yourself: > > > > > >> > > - poor interface UI design, common admit it, look at iPhone > > interface > > > > >> > > and Android interface and do 1 to 1 compare. > > > > >> > > - UI designer???? Where is it???? I'm sick and tire of > > manually > > > > >> > > manipulate the xml layout. > > > > >> > > - so much bug, yup, some time I have to kill the adb.exe > > restart > > > > >> > > eclipse, -wipe, to be able to continue the development. > > > > >> > > - performing issues, yup, sometime it took more then 3+ > > minute for the > > > > >> > > emulator to initiate start. > > > > > >> > > Which all these issues, do you think they will successful in > > the > > > > >> > > mobile business? Ah… And where is the hardware? Don't tell > > me you will > > > > >> > > not lost any more cash building a hardware then have touch > > screen, > > > > >> > > accelerometer, for less than $300. Dream too much ain't good > > for you … > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > On May 4, 9:09 am, dr123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > How can the application fail when there was a hit and a > > user > > > > >> > > > registration? > > > > >> > > > Come on. > > > > > >> > > > On 4 Μάϊος, 13:47, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > How do you know it wasn't simply the application that > > failed? Yes, > > > > >> > > > > there are 4 judges, why would you doubt this if they > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
