- The iphone is polished, but Apple is like a totalitarian state. You can do whatever you want, as long as Steve is OK with it. You want to have an app on the iPhone? Better hope they like it. You also better hope they don't decide to compete with you. Yank. Your app is out of the store. Also, I believe you can't just give it away. YOu need to charge, and they take a cut. You want to develope something open source and give it out? Not happening (as far as I know. I could be wrong). You want to write some in-house app for a business or whatever? I don't think you can do that. The android platform is nice in that it approaches the open source world, where the real innovation happens. If the future of the internet and technology goes down the apple route, we'll all be locked down again. That sucks.
Plus, Objective C? Really? Most of the stuff you said above is wrong. Also, you can use C or C++ if that is what you prefere, for your libraries. You only need to use Objective-C to hook up to the IPhone specific functionality. Is not that hard really. On May 4, 11:23 am, "Kevin Galligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll respond to this. I think the platform itself is great. Here's why. > > - The iphone is polished, but Apple is like a totalitarian state. You > can do whatever you want, as long as Steve is OK with it. You want to > have an app on the iPhone? Better hope they like it. You also better > hope they don't decide to compete with you. Yank. Your app is out of > the store. Also, I believe you can't just give it away. YOu need to > charge, and they take a cut. You want to develope something open > source and give it out? Not happening (as far as I know. I could be > wrong). You want to write some in-house app for a business or > whatever? I don't think you can do that. The android platform is > nice in that it approaches the open source world, where the real > innovation happens. If the future of the internet and technology goes > down the apple route, we'll all be locked down again. That sucks. > > Plus, Objective C? Really? > > - So. Even if the platform is open, if it sucks, it sucks. Right? > Take a look around. JME is crap. Android is buggy, but that's > because its not release software yet. The look and feel is a little > rough, but I'd put a lot of money on that being well taken care of. > The difference betwen m3 and m5 were huge. To ding them a bit, the > docs for UI modification are terrible, and they didn't really finish > the refacing. Just try creating an app with the "Light" theme. > However, the UI is pretty good. Far better than JME. Not better than > the iPhone? OK. It'll be a lot better really soon. I do think > building UI's is pretty slow. There is no UI designer. True. I > would say a large percentage of UI design is done without a graphical > layout tool. As a career web guy, I'll tell you I never use a visual > tool. You know what's great about the open nature of the platform? > You can build that tool. If you did a decent job, I bet you'd get in > the top 50 for round 2. > > - "so much bug". Its not release level yet. Like all code, for all > time. Its got some bugs. > > - The emulator does take forever to start. Not sure why that is. > After its up, though, it runs pretty good. I have my asteroids clone > posted in one of the other forums. It runs fine. My app has > thousands of rows in the db, and its pretty responsive on the queries > and display. > > The summary. Android will come out and be on a lot of phones. There > will be a lot of innovation in that part of the phone world, which > will force the other guys to open up too. That's the beauty of this > particular chess move on Google's part. Android doesn't have to "take > over". It just has to open the door. IPhone is going to have a tough > time being a closed SDK platform when a major competitor isn't. > Right? Not sure if everybody remembers back when Apple had a large > part of the computing world and blew it by being closed off to outside > competition and innovation. Its the exact same thing they're doing > now. > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM, ConAim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is a Google's fishing game; they throw out 50 pieces of baits and > > got overwhelm response on the number of fishes from around the world. > > I'm sure they will get some big whale and some big shark on this > > game.... lol. > > > The fact is they just want to throw out some money to get their > > Android platform out there. Yes, they success on trying to get some > > attention on us developers and the more developers involved the more > > chance that there will be a good hardware vendors that willing to > > partnering with them. But then ask yourself this question, do you > > think this Android is worth it? Look back at their SDK and see it for > > yourself: > > > - poor interface UI design, common admit it, look at iPhone interface > > and Android interface and do 1 to 1 compare. > > - UI designer???? Where is it???? I'm sick and tire of manually > > manipulate the xml layout. > > - so much bug, yup, some time I have to kill the adb.exe restart > > eclipse, -wipe, to be able to continue the development. > > - performing issues, yup, sometime it took more then 3+ minute for the > > emulator to initiate start. > > > Which all these issues, do you think they will successful in the > > mobile business? Ah… And where is the hardware? Don't tell me you will > > not lost any more cash building a hardware then have touch screen, > > accelerometer, for less than $300. Dream too much ain't good for you … > > > > > On May 4, 9:09 am, dr123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How can the application fail when there was a hit and a user > > > registration? > > > Come on. > > > > On 4 Μάϊος, 13:47, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How do you know it wasn't simply the application that failed? Yes, > > > > there are 4 judges, why would you doubt this if they already confirmed > > > > it. Honestly, sometimes is hard not to flame on you guys. > > > > > On May 4, 5:44 am, dr123 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Nice philology but i believe approx 1/10 apps has a client server > > > > > which is able to count the hits. Calculatos don't for example. Why > > > > > would someone complain? He doesn't know... > > > > > Google promised 4 judges. > > > > > > On 4 Μάϊος, 10:44, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > aksonov, > > > > > > > There were 1700+ entries. There are only a handful of people that > > like > > > > > > you are complaining they didn't get a fair judging. Unfortunately > > with > > > > > > such a large number of entries there will always be a small number > > of > > > > > > people that will feel like they got cheated. Even if the contest > > is as > > > > > > best as it can be. I'm guessing that the number of people that feel > > > > > > they got cheated will increase after they find out they lost. This > > > > > > will always be the case in any contest. I'm sorry for your pain and > > > > > > hard work but I do not don't think that this contest should be > > delayed > > > > > > just for a few people that feels they got cheated. Personally I > > don't > > > > > > think I can handle another week of checking this forum every 5 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > On May 4, 3:34 am, aksonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't understand something - top 100 app were selected (?!) > > but I > > > > > > > still have ONE testing for my client/server app. Do we have ONE > > judge > > > > > > > per application?? Or applications were selected without looking > > into > > > > > > > them?? I didn't expect that Google could organize things in such > > > > > > > way... Ogh, my belief in Google as "company for people" is > > broken. > > > > > > > > If it happened not only with me, please post here. > > > > > > > I don't believe that it is OK for Google to get such negative > > feedback > > > > > > > from many submitters, this way ADC become just lottery or > > something > > > > > > > like this (when just one judge could decide application is good > > or > > > > > > > not)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
