So, let me get this right; David Aktary of Durham, North Carolina, who is the only person who has mentioned being involved with AdroitAndroid, and has so far set up and left four previous businesses, wants people to get involved in his idea. He doesn't want to reveal too much about himself or anyone else involved because he is doing this on the side and doesn't want this to threaten his day job (hows that for confidence in the idea?).
If you want to take part you'll be interviewed, and if you're accepted you'll have to pay 200 USD to take on he legal and financial responsibilities of a part-LLC owner. You may not be able to choose what you work on, who you work with, or how much of the profits from your work you'll see. Now going on with a bit of research into the Mr. Aktary; He currently has his own consulting company (Aktary & Associates) which he founded and would appear to be the "day job" that he feels would be threatened by his involvement in the LLC becoming public knowledge and was involved in the conversation at http://ocean.collectivex.com/discussion/topic/show/103630 with someone about a poker client for Android before announcing AdroitAndroid to the world (notably that conversation is the only thing google can find where he is associated with the word Android in any way). Now lets compare this to whats currently available; There are over 2,000 members of the android-discuss list and over 10,000 on android-developers, access to all these people is free, you can team up with any number of them as you want, negotiate profit and work sharing agreements on a per-project basis, and choose the distribution methods you wish to use. If someone doesn't want to tell you about themselves, you can walk away. If someone says it's something they're doing on the side and isn't the primary focus of their day, you can walk away, and if someone wants 200 USD from you before they'll do anything, you can walk away. I can see this being a very easy decision for people.... Al. P.S. If you want to do research into me, start at www.alsutton.com, it'll make the job a lot easier. AdroitAndroid wrote: > jtaylor and Ewan, you've made my point for me. > > jtaylor: "It's about the Great Gamble. It's staying up late nights and > pounding out code in expectation of the the great Jackpot!" > -- Yes, and the whole point of AdroitAndoid is to improve the odds of > the gamble. How would you feel if your employer said "we'll give you > your paycheck IF the project your working on does well"? Having said > that, I appreciate the valiant efforts of the individual coder out to > change the world and I wish him luck. This project is not for him... > it's for those who have tried that and realize that they'd rather > share the risk - and reward - with others. > > Ewan: "You might get 10 good Android programmers, but the reality is > that only one of those programs is likely to do real well, and then > the rest will just break even, and the one good program's profit will > now be split 10+ ways. So what does the coop do for a programmer?" > -- Well, if you're the one programmer, it doesn't do much, but if > you're in the 90% of other programmers, it gives you a bit of return > for your invested time and efforts. It also allows for the one with > the big hit to benefit on the next round of programs when he is in the > 90% failed majority. > > The big down side to the Android idea is that ANYONE can put an > application on the market. An application that isn't branded with a > name that the user knows and trusts (a major goal of the AdroitAndroid > project) is likely to be bypassed for one that is. This is one of the > many benefits that members will enjoy. > > We are open about who we are to those who contact us about being > interested in the project, and we will gladly share with them our > qualifications for determining the quality of a developer. If we > weren't confident in this ability and well qualified to do so, we > wouldn't be proposing this. We aren't being terribly up-front about > who we are because we are doing this on the side and don't want > repercussions with our day jobs. > > What kills me is that if I'd simply put an ad on here that says "Hey, > we're hiring Android developers", I would have gotten a much better > response... but since I suggested that developers can actually own the > company, rather than be a slave to it, the response is much worse. > Odd... and unfortunate. > > Let me be restate that those that join us as co-owners will be CO- > OWNERS. That means they will have a say in everything that happens, > how the project is structured, which projects we undertake, etc, etc. > Picture an open-source project... but where the code is only open to > select few, the apps are sold, and the developers enjoy profit > sharing. > > > On Oct 18, 1:30 pm, "Ewan Grantham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What I don't understand in all this, is why a developer who actually is any >> good would want to share the proceeds of their program with the other folks. >> You might get 10 good Android programmers, but the reality is that only one >> of those programs is likely to do real well, and then the rest will just >> break even, and the one good program's profit will now be split 10+ ways. So >> what does the coop do for a programmer? Marketing would be a concern in the >> PC world, but for the phones you get your app listed in the Android Market >> (once it's open), and some of the secondary markets, and there's your >> marketing. Help with programming? Unlikely if the other 9 folks who are >> programmers are working on their own program - and certainly the business >> folks aren't going to write your GUI for you. >> >> I just don't see what the "value proposition" for this kind of cooperative >> in this market is. At least, not for the developer... >> >> Now, I've only been an author for four books, run a project with 60 people >> for my day job, and have published only one Android program so far. So maybe >> I'm not as bright as these folks. But I certainly don't see anything here >> that makes it worth asking a group of folks who aren't willing to put their >> information online where I can look at it publicly to consider me for their >> "club", where I can be privileged enough to give them $200 if they accept >> me. For that matter, I see nothing here that tells me that these folks can >> tell the difference between a good programmer and a poor one - except >> perhaps they evaluate you based on your penmanship on the check you write >> them. >> >> As Mark suggested, if y'all want to be taken seriously, then you need to be >> a lot more open about what is going on. I can go to Mark's site and read up >> about him, and go through the archives here to see what he has contributed. >> For that matter, you can find out plenty about Mark or me just by searching >> in Google. The folks associated with this (at least the one we've been >> privileged to be told about) don't seem to have much of a record in Google >> or on these groups. So I think most developers would be better served using >> their $200 to promote their own program, rather than to help promote someone >> else's. >> >> My .02 worth. >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
