Owen, We didn't need a global policy to establish a bilateral inter RIR transfer policy with APNIC. Per ARIN policy "APNIC only requires a compatible needs based distribution mechanism".
Why not per ARIN policy, you can transfer inside your 24 month window, ONLY IF, the org is a wholly owned subsidiary, and if the org is in an RIR region whose policy will prevent the transfer of addresses for at least the remainder of the 24 month term. __Jason On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > If it were enforceable, it would address my concern. > > The problem is that we are then looking to have an ARIN contract enjoin an > action by the organization in another RIR which I am not sure would give us > any recourse whatsoever were that contract to be violated. > > That’s why I didn’t propose language… I don’t think the issue in question > can be unilaterally addressed, so I think we should accept that and those > that are interested can begin work on a globally coordinated policy if they > desire to do so. > > We’ve already seen that attempting to unilaterally influence minimum > policy requirements on other regions is unlikely to work. Witness RIPEs > recent “workaround” to “compatible needs basis”. I am not especially > interested in expanding this problem space. > > Owen > > On May 29, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > > Owen, > > So does this text cover your proposal then? > > Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2 > Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients) > > Date: 26 May 2015 > > Problem Statement: > > Organizations that obtain a 24 month supply of IP addresses via the > transfer market and then have an unexpected change in business plan > are unable to move IP addresses to the proper RIR within the first 12 > months of receipt. > > Policy statement: > > Replace 8.4, bullet 4, to read: > > "> Source entities within the ARIN region must not have received a > transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number resources > from ARIN for the 12 months prior to the approval of a transfer > request. > - This restriction does not include M&A transfers. > - This restriction does not include a transfer to a wholly owned > subsidiary out side of the ARIN service region > if the recipient org will be required to not transfer any IP space > for the remaining balance of 12 month window." > > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On May 28, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Owen, >> >> How does that differ from the policy text I sent? >> >> Can you send an idea of policy text? >> >> I thought the text I sent said that an ARIN org can transfer IPs out to >> another wholely owned subsidiary in another RIR region if they have been >> the recipient of transfer in less that 12 months IF the recipient org will >> be required (read by recipient's RIR policy) to hold the transfered >> resource for the balance of the 12 months. >> >> Your proposal allows substitution. >> >> ARIN->Other RIR space A >> Space B Other RIR-> Money/etc. >> >> I want to see substitution transfers prohibited. >> >> Owen >> >> ___Jason >> On May 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Owen DeLong" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Or simply not permit it under ARIN policy until such exists. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> > On May 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > On May 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> My suggestion is that I don't mind (virtually) unrestricted moves of >>> addresses to different regions staying with the same organization. However, >>> if we are to allow that, I want us to find a way that you can't merely use >>> that as a way to move addresses out of flip protection to then flip them to >>> another organization via an RIR with a less restrictive transfer policy. >>> >> >>> >> So... If you transfer addresses to another region, keeping them in >>> the same organization, no penalty. However, you are not allowed to >>> subsequently transfer them (or other addresses in that region) to an >>> external party for at least 12 months. >>> > >>> > That second portion that you seek would affect the ongoing operation of >>> > another RIR, i.e. it requires them having some explicit policy to that >>> effect. >>> > >>> > To obtain the result you seek, we either need globally coordinated >>> transfer >>> > policy in this area, or you need to make the inter-RIR transfer policy >>> explicit >>> > in this regard in determination of compatibility. >>> > >>> > /John >>> > >>> > John Curran >>> > President and CEO >>> > ARIN >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected]|571-266-0006 > > > -- _______________________________________________________ Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected]|571-266-0006
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