> On Jun 2, 2015, at 12:14 AM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > > Owen, > > We didn't need a global policy to establish a bilateral inter RIR transfer > policy with APNIC. Per ARIN policy "APNIC only requires a compatible needs > based distribution mechanism”.
Because we have the anti-flip language that this proposal seeks to eliminate. > Why not per ARIN policy, you can transfer inside your 24 month window, ONLY > IF, the org is a wholly owned subsidiary, and if the org is in an RIR region > whose policy will prevent the transfer of addresses for at least the > remainder of the 24 month term. I could live with that. Owen > > __Jason > > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > If it were enforceable, it would address my concern. > > The problem is that we are then looking to have an ARIN contract enjoin an > action by the organization in another RIR which I am not sure would give us > any recourse whatsoever were that contract to be violated. > > That’s why I didn’t propose language… I don’t think the issue in question can > be unilaterally addressed, so I think we should accept that and those that > are interested can begin work on a globally coordinated policy if they desire > to do so. > > We’ve already seen that attempting to unilaterally influence minimum policy > requirements on other regions is unlikely to work. Witness RIPEs recent > “workaround” to “compatible needs basis”. I am not especially interested in > expanding this problem space. > > Owen > >> On May 29, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jason Schiller <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Owen, >> >> So does this text cover your proposal then? >> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2 >> Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients) >> >> Date: 26 May 2015 >> >> Problem Statement: >> >> Organizations that obtain a 24 month supply of IP addresses via the >> transfer market and then have an unexpected change in business plan >> are unable to move IP addresses to the proper RIR within the first 12 >> months of receipt. >> >> Policy statement: >> >> Replace 8.4, bullet 4, to read: >> >> "> Source entities within the ARIN region must not have received a >> transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number resources >> from ARIN for the 12 months prior to the approval of a transfer >> request. >> - This restriction does not include M&A transfers. >> - This restriction does not include a transfer to a wholly owned >> subsidiary out side of the ARIN service region >> if the recipient org will be required to not transfer any IP space >> for the remaining balance of 12 month window." >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> On May 28, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Jason Schiller <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Owen, >>> >>> How does that differ from the policy text I sent? >>> >>> Can you send an idea of policy text? >>> >>> I thought the text I sent said that an ARIN org can transfer IPs out to >>> another wholely owned subsidiary in another RIR region if they have been >>> the recipient of transfer in less that 12 months IF the recipient org will >>> be required (read by recipient's RIR policy) to hold the transfered >>> resource for the balance of the 12 months. >>> >>> >> Your proposal allows substitution. >> >> ARIN->Other RIR space A >> Space B Other RIR-> Money/etc. >> >> I want to see substitution transfers prohibited. >> >> Owen >> >>> ___Jason >>> >>> On May 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Owen DeLong" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Or simply not permit it under ARIN policy until such exists. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> > On May 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, John Curran <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > On May 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> My suggestion is that I don't mind (virtually) unrestricted moves of >>> >> addresses to different regions staying with the same organization. >>> >> However, if we are to allow that, I want us to find a way that you can't >>> >> merely use that as a way to move addresses out of flip protection to >>> >> then flip them to another organization via an RIR with a less >>> >> restrictive transfer policy. >>> >> >>> >> So... If you transfer addresses to another region, keeping them in the >>> >> same organization, no penalty. However, you are not allowed to >>> >> subsequently transfer them (or other addresses in that region) to an >>> >> external party for at least 12 months. >>> > >>> > That second portion that you seek would affect the ongoing operation of >>> > another RIR, i.e. it requires them having some explicit policy to that >>> > effect. >>> > >>> > To obtain the result you seek, we either need globally coordinated >>> > transfer >>> > policy in this area, or you need to make the inter-RIR transfer policy >>> > explicit >>> > in this regard in determination of compatibility. >>> > >>> > /John >>> > >>> > John Curran >>> > President and CEO >>> > ARIN >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________________ >> Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>|571-266-0006 <tel:571-266-0006> >> > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>|571-266-0006 >
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