Yep ! I agree with you. But I also agree with what Jeroen says.
People want different things. And this is not going to stop.

As for exchange, I have to admin that most of the times microsoft do
get their facts straight and develop wonderfull products. Let's face
it people; Exchange _is_ a good solid piece of software that does it's
job and then some.

But Jeroen is right too ! There are installation where Exchange is
overkill. Indeed there are such installations. Small ones.

Problems arise when someone wants from a small installation things
and features that big products do for big installations.

Just me 2c,
s.



--- On Wed, 26/11/08, Hill, Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Hill, Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Assp-user] puzzling issue with assp v1.2.6
> To: "Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy" 
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008, 3:39 PM
> Jeroen van Aart wrote: 
> > I wouldn't do that if I were you. I believe you
> think of 
> > calender functionality. This is not part of the smtp 
> > protocol, but just a microsoft addition to exchange.
> You can 
> > accomplish calenders in many other ways. Such as
> plugins on 
> > the client, confluence's calender plugin, google
> apps and a 
> > number of other online tools etc. You could also
> install a 
> > dummy exchange server just for that calender nonsense.
> Anyways, there
> is no 
> > good reason to use exchange, also besides the initial
> $8000 
> > or so you need to pay a license fee per account.
>  
> Coming from an Exchange Admin, Yes, it is a somewhat large
> startup cost,
> but I wholeheartedly disagree with you.  In the corporate
> world, CIO's
> and IT managers want everything as simple as possible for
> the end users.
> Mishmashing different technologies is IMHO not a
> "simple" solution for
> the end user (or the people that have to administrate it). 
> Exchange is
> a very powerful tool for small/medium/and large
> organizations.  Is it
> cloud computing?  Not yet (or maybe it is)!  But it
> certainly brings a
> lot of important capabilities together in one convenient
> place.  Is it
> right for every business?  There are alternatives, but I
> wouldn't hack
> it just because it has a startup fee.  It is a very
> reliable
> collaborative system (given a somewhat intelligent
> administrator).
> 
> Web-based email is convenient for people working from home
> or on the
> road (with casual use), but I wouldn't wish it on
> anyone that has to
> constantly use it all day (for obvious reasons). 
> That's what Email
> clients are for.  And if you're going to have an email
> client, why not
> have collaboration tools built into it?
> 
> > (what happened with good old paper agendas?)
> 
> My friend, we've moved into the future where paper
> agendas are old
> school.
> 
> > If they want more then provide it through different
> means and 
> > protocols, don't bastardise smtp. What's next,
> streaming 
> > video through smtp? Games?
> 
> Negative Nelly!  Sounds like you had too much coffee this
> morning and
> are just looking for an excuse to bash the future of SMTP
> (which is for
> streaming video and playing games over its protocol...Ohh,
> come on!).
> Since when has SMTP been "bastardised"?  It's
> really easy how it works.
> One server opens up a channel to another server, transfers
> some data and
> then disconnects.  Wow that was hard!  SMTP is SMTP (simple
> mail
> transfer protocol) which, by the way, doesn't have a
> rfc banning
> attachments.
> 
> > Just keep it plain and simple in this regard. SMTP is 
> > difficult enough as it is.
> 
> Are you just mad people want to send any and everything
> over smtp?
> Either set your own company policies banning it or get used
> to it.  It's
> only going to get worse.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Brett
> 
> 
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