Yes Tom, there is that sort of issue too.

I was alluding more to the GFA's Articles of Association, in particular rules 
3, 6, & 10, ability to cope/cater with mandatory membership.


Chris

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tom claffey 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Safety Seminar - VSA Region - last opportunity


        While conducting an e-mail war with CASA re a licence/letter of 
qualification to replace SLMG on my ATPL [for the World Comps] the CASA man 
implied that although he was satisfied that the GPC syllabus satisfied the ICAO 
licence requirements he could not be certain that I was trained in accordance 
with the syllabus. As my old instructor has recently died and cannot certify it 
looks like I may never get one!  [I guess 20 000hrs and an ATPL does not help]
        Tom

        --- On Thu, 12/8/10, Christopher Mc Donnell <[email protected]> 
wrote:


          From: Christopher Mc Donnell <[email protected]>
          Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Safety Seminar - VSA Region - last 
opportunity
          To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
<[email protected]>
          Received: Thursday, 12 August, 2010, 2:17 PM


          John Switala cited from the "Sport Aviation Self-Administration 
Handbook 2010". 



          "The main condition is that if participants want to

          undertake one of the exempted activities they have

          to belong to a specified organisation. Without full

          membership people are not legally allowed to take

          part in these activities."



          Therein lay some interesting issues.



          Chris McDonnell

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: John Switala 
            To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
            Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:14 PM
            Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Safety Seminar - VSA Region - last 
opportunity


            Mike (and others)



            I believe there has been a change in CASA probably commenced by the 
now Director John McCormick.  While fundamentally I believe there has been 
little change in the basic intent of the legislation (although there has been 
some) that we operate under, there has been an attention to “burden of proof” 
(for want of a better term) that the GFA can administer its segment of aviation.



            It is the administrative process that CASA is concentrating on in 
order to “assure” itself that the GFA can administer the sport.  Personally I 
can see little in the administration process that directly impacts, for 
example, safety, but, from CASA’s point of view, the existence of these systems 
and processes is evidence to them that the administration function is being 
carried out appropriately.



            One of the focuses of the GFA Safety Seminars is to explain and 
describe the administrative changes that the GFA has had to implement to assure 
CASA of our administrative capabilities.  Individual pilots would gain an 
understanding of why some of these changes are being implemented and other 
changes that will affect how we fly today and continuing ability to fly in the 
future.



            Below is an extract from the "Sport Aviation Self-Administration 
Handbook 2010", page 2 under Introduction:

            http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/pilots/download/sport.pdf



            The acronym RAAO stands for Recreational Aviation Administration 
Organisation - for us this means GFA 



            I have highlighted what I think are the significant portions and 
the language that CASA is using to make its point.  I think there is also a 
change (more emphasis) in the “oversighting” of activities.





            What is self-administration?

            The differences within sport aviation activities have

            led to the existence of special oversight rules within

            Australian aviation legislation. Australian sport

            aviation operates under self-administration. This

            means that CASA sets the regulations and then works

            in close cooperation with the RAAOs, to make sure

            the regulations are applied and enforced. The RAAOs

            provide CASA with specialist knowledge and insight

            into the sport aviation industry.



            The Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 were not intended

            to regulate this class of aircraft or activities. Currently,

            RAAOs overseeing these activities do so under

            exemptions and delegations. This set of rules allows

            specialised craft such as balloons and aircraft that

            don’t meet certification standards to operate through

            a series of exemptions from the regulations applying

            to broader aviation activities. 



            These exemptions are conditional.



            The main condition is that if participants want to

            undertake one of the exempted activities they have

            to belong to a specified organisation. Without full

            membership people are not legally allowed to take

            part in these activities.



            The organisations exist to oversee members’ activities

            and assure CASA that activities are being conducted

            safely. CASA needs to be fully confident that RAAOs

            have the capacity to provide the safety outcomes

            required. If organisations can’t assure CASA of this,

            then CASA can’t allow the organisation to continue to

            administer its activities under the exemption.



            Without the exemption, the activities allowed by

            it can’t occur. That is, if the organisation doesn’t

            assure CASA that it is meeting safety outcomes and

            oversighting activities, people wanting to fly under

            the exemption can’t.



            Without the exemption then, people wanting to fly

            need to meet the regulations that apply to other

            aviation activities.









            -----Original Message-----
            From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
            Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2010 11:10 AM
            To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
            Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Safety Seminar - VSA Region - last 
opportunity



            At 12:25 PM 11/08/2010, you wrote:





            >  Of specific interest is the new CASA imperatives and how they 

            > affect our flying and continuing ability to fly in the future.





            I guess CASA could require gliders to be certified, have a C of A, 
a 

            C of R and a maintenance release.... oh wait!



            Mike



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