Daryl and Maddog for the GFA have done a lot of work, however CASA is making 
things difficult. Let us hope there is progress soon, the situation really is 
silly! Paul's problem with CASA medical centre also silly as in Europe with 
local medical/licence he would not have a problem. Suprised Keith could not fly 
at factory, they didn't check anything with me, but perhaps before EASA!
Tom

--- On Tue, 17/8/10, Future Aviation <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Future Aviation <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] pilot license
To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" 
<[email protected]>
Received: Tuesday, 17 August, 2010, 8:01 PM



 
Hello Tom, hello all!
 
I fully agree that the current situation (in regards to 
excercising our previlleges overseas) is totally untennable. 

 
Why is it necessary to obtain a BGA licence (or get an 
endorsement in the US) when we want to fly overseas?
Why has the GFA still not 
come to an arrangement with CASA just like other sports aviation bodies? 

 
This year alone we had several 
cases where Australian glider pilots were denied 
flying a glider overseas. The 
now public case of Paul Mander is 
no exception. Keith Gately went to Germany 
to test fly an ASH 31 Mi but 
could not do so because he 
could not produce a valid licence. Several other pilots are faced 
with the same 
situation. Highly embarrassing indeed, given 
their qualifications! 
 
An internationally recognised licence was already 
demanded by some international pilots at a SAGA 
meeting 
more than 25 years ago. Because no 
progress has been made since, I decided 
to raise the matter publicly at 
the last two GFA AGMs. On both 
occasions I was assured by the GFA executive 
that the matter is in hand and 
high on their list of priorities. Following last year's 
meeting I had extensive correspondence 
with both the GFA 
president as well as other relevant office bearers. I 
pointed out that the Parachute Federation of Australia had 

come to an arangement with CASA allowing their members to 
excercise their previlleges overseas. I trust 
that 
the GFA has now consulted with the PFA and is 
using their approach as a blueprint for negotiations 
with CASA.
 
I have had no feedback for quite some time now. However, I 
recently received unconfirmed reports that the matter 
is very close to a resolution. Therefore I 
expect the GFA president to make an 
announcement at the forthcoming 
AGM in 
Brisbane. 
 
Let's hold fire until then and keep our fingers 
crossed!
 
Kind regards to all.
 
Bernard Eckey 
 
 
 From: 
[email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom 
claffey
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 1:36 AM
To: Discussion 
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 
pilot license




  
  
    The US one is what I used in Szeged. For pure gliders the 
      BGA licence by mail works but for engines a UK NPPL is needed which 
      requires 500km of cross-country in the UK in previous 12 
      months.
Tom

--- On Mon, 16/8/10, Catherine Conway 
      <[email protected]> wrote:

      
From: 
        Catherine Conway <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 
        [Aus-soaring] pilot license
To: "Discussion of issues relating to 
        Soaring in Australia." 
        <[email protected]>
Received: Monday, 16 
        August, 2010, 3:22 PM


        Glad I got a US one in the early 90's. I've used it 
        in Europe as well as the US

Cath

Sent from my 
        iPhone

On 16/08/2010, at 12:42 PM, "Christopher  Mc Donnell" 
        <[email protected]> 
        wrote:

> If you need an ICAO recognised glider licence you can 
        take one of the cheap 
> flights to NZ, have a bit of a holiday 
        and get one of their CAA ones while 
> there.
> Just do your 
        homework and break the back of the paperwork before you go.
> This 
        would seem to be the cheapest way for Australians.
> Pity we are 
        one of the few places you cannot get a recognised licence. Makes 
        
> you feel second rate :-(
> 
> Chris
> 
        
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "emilis 
        prelgauskas" <[email protected]>
> 
        To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
> 
        <[email protected]>
> 
        Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:59 AM
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] 
        pilot license
> 
> 
> To Tom's enquiry about pilot 
        licensing for use o/s
> my understanding would be that GFA
> 
        in addition to formalising GPC for the future;
> would also be 
        able
> as the 'organisation of record'
> to certify that the 
        original instructor
> was trained, endorsed, certified and audited 
        by GFA
> and therefore did train to the syllabus.
> If the 
        organisation of record can't do this,
> firstly what is the point 
        of having the organisation
> and secondly what are the prospects 
        of the organisation
> being accepted by CASA in its sport aviation 
        hierarchy transition.
> 
> Just asking.....
> 
> 
        
> 
> On 15/08/2010, at 1:44 AM, tom claffey wrote:
> 
        
>> While conducting an e-mail war with CASA re a 
        licence/letter of 
>> qualification to replace SLMG on my ATPL 
        [for the World Comps] the CASA 
>> man implied that although he 
        was satisfied that the GPC syllabus satisfied 
>> the ICAO 
        licence requirements he could not be certain that I was trained 
        
>> in accordance with the syllabus. As my old instructor has 
        recently died 
>> and cannot certify it looks like I may never 
        get one! [I guess 20 000hrs 
>> and an ATPL does not 
        help]
>> Tom
> 
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