Thanks Ross. Yeah winning the trophy is a heavy "cross" to bear, but I guess
Bruce will cope! Incidentally I liked Butch's alternative take on winning -
keep a low profile this year, and then "come from nowhere" and win. Lets hope
that Bruce, and other Aussies can repeat the performance next year, when ALL
the big boys will be there. I note most of the Europeans were keeping their
'hand in" at the European Championships in Lithuania. Of course totally
different conditions there, to those that can be expected in Uvalde, Texas next
year - hot to very hot, mostly good to great lift - if the thunderstorms hold
off, and sometimes very blue conditions, all of which should suit Bruce and
the rest of the Aussie team. Given that these conditions will actually
eventuate again in Uvalde next year, and the fact that the Aussies went to the
trouble of being in Uvalde this year and reportably learnt heaps, means that
they should have a preparation edge on the Europeans: and of course this will
be enough in itself to carry them over the line, if everything else is equal
....!!??
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross McLean
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps
Hi Gary & Mike D
Thanks for your emails, very much appreciated. I have referred them to the
Handicap Committee for discussion and will respond back to this forum with
their thoughts and comments asap.
As Bruce is still returning from Uvalde (with a very heavy 18m 1st Place
winner’s trophy) it may take a few days but I will get back to you.
ROSS
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:50 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'tom claffey'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps
Hi Ross,
I understand that the HC was reviewing handicaps, mainly to update and/or
correct anomalies resulting from incorrect original input data, new data,
manufacturer's changes to designs, and such like, rather than making radical
changes.
In a volunteer organisation, it is not surprising that such anomalies can and
do occur, and indeed you and your Committee (and those that have gone before
you), have generally done a good job under sometimes (no doubt), trying
circumstances.
I applaud your recent earlier request to aircraft owners to contact you, in
the case of seemingly erroneous handicaps. You, and fellow committee members
are not mind readers, after all!
Can you/Will you/Are you now in a position, to give us a detailed update, on
all the glider types considered in the review, and the changes (if any), that
the Committee decided to instigate, as a result of the review?
If the review still has some way to go, when do you expect the Committee's
findings and decisions to be made known?
I do appreciate that a written report to the Australian Gliding Fraternity
may involve some/a lot of work on your part, but I think that in the past, the
reasons for some (no doubt necessary), changes have not been explained - either
adequately, or at all, and led in some quarters, to ongoing resentment to
seemingly biased decisions, by the Committee. {Is it possible that Nigel is
possibly suggesting this - tongue in cheek of course! .....Gasp!}
In this day and age transparency is everything.
I await your response with interest.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross McLean
To: 'tom claffey' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.'
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49
Hi Tom
You are correct and no it hasn’t changed. The Handicap committee members
have currently:
· One JS1 – previously LS8, ASW 22, Ventus 2CX, ASW 19b. In all of
which he has won National Competitions. Just won the 18m pre-Worlds in an
ASG29. (I think it is the pilot not the a/c)
· One ASG29 - previously an ASW20 and a long history before that
· One LS4
· And one member has a fleet of 11 aircraft including Discus,
Discus 2, Ventus b 16.6, Duo Discus and Nimbus 4DM
I think there is enough cross manufacturer experience in that committee to
be able to produce a well balanced and knowledgable result.
Cheers, ROSS
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 1:45 PM
To: [email protected]; Discussion of issues relating to
Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49
Really? I thought the handicap committee had an LS4, a JS1 and an ASG29,
has it changed?
Tom
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From: Nigel Andrews <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 95, Issue 49
What, no comment on adjusting the handicap to make it worthwhile for those
who don't have an ASG29 or JS1 to come to a comp and compete in their
Ventus's? I am sure the ASG29 owners would expect the same when the next
generation of 18 metre overtake them. Funny thing is the handicap committee
has two ASG owners. Leave it as it is and just have the same guys trying to
beat each other.
Nigel Andrews
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