I just love it when a seemingly simple question produce a range of answers, that don't address the original question, I think? That's gliding for you!
Michael > On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:39 pm, "Ulrich Stauss" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Many thanks for the quick reply. However, I am not sure where in my post I > was spreading misinformation but please correct me where I am wrong. > > With regard to your statement > 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. > please provide evidence as due diligence in your position would require. The > references given in reply to Ron Sanders’ post do not even mention ICAO > compliance. E.g. the CASA booklet only says ”… This license may be recognised > by foreign aviation authorities for Australian pilots wishing to compete in > gliding competitions overseas.” And let me emphasis the word “MAY”. > > You also state > 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator > status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). > The referenced paragraph says: > “… The GPC recognises that the pilot has been trained and tested to the full > extent of the GPC training syllabus and is therefore entitled to be approved > to operate a glider within the privileges and limitations of the syllabus > items as notified by pilot logbook endorsements.” > So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO standard, > the privileges and limitations depend on the log book endorsements (not the > GPC). I could imagine that for some clubs and CFIs the legal liabilities > arising from MOSP 2, paragraph 13.1.2 > (“The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator privileges is > responsible for that person’s operations, even when the person is operating > independently”) may be considered too high a risk exposure in this day and > age so that they may wish to restrict the privileges by such logbook > endorsements. So I don’t see how you can (more or less publicly) make the > above assertion. > > 3. does not directly answer my question but I take this to mean that overseas > pilots will need to obtain a GPC to compete in Australia(?). > > 5. is great to know. I hope the GPL really gets off the ground this time and > is not postponed last minute again like last time. > > Regards, > > Ulrich > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher > Thorpe > Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 18:52 > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > To dispel some of the misinformation written about the GPC: > > 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. > 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator > status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). > 3. Foreign pilots can readily convert an overseas issued ICAO compliant > licence to the GPC (refer the GFA web site for details). > 4. This year, Mal Read (CASA) and I have assisted several Australian > pilots convert their GPC to an overseas ICAO licence. Granted this was not > necessarily an easy thing to do given the current EASA regulatory environment. > 5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian > pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider > Pilot Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition. > > Regards > > <image002.png>Christopher Thorpe > Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 > 264 489) > M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: [email protected] | w: > www.glidingaustralia.org > > au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss > Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > Picking up from Michael Scutter: > > Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an > FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? > Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting > license and the GPC for their purposes? > > Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as > equivalent/superior? > If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting > license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO > compliant (glider) pilots license?) > > Will the points of a competitor in an Australian National Championship who > only holds a GPC but no FAI Sporting license be recognised for the FAI/IGC > Pilot Rankings? > > To my knowledge the GPC is not ICAO compliant nor recognised anywhere > overseas. I guess that will have to wait until the CASA GPL finally gets off > the ground. The way I read the MOSP, the GPC in practice merely means that > the holder has a C certificate and may have been trained according to the > ‘new’ rearranged syllabus and to Level 1 independent operator standard (but > does not necessarily hold the L1 IO rating!). > > In the meantime our pilots who want to compete overseas are still on their > own in the battle with foreign bureaucracies to obtain an ICAO compliant > license from wherever this is easier or quicker in their circumstances (UK, > US, Czech Republic…) on the basis of the C certificate – good luck to anyone > attempting that based on a GPC. > > Wasn’t that the primary issue that the GPC was supposed to fix? > > The emperor has no clothes! > > Ulrich > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pam > Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 10:35 > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses > > Records: > You must have an FAI Sporting Licence before you make a record attempt. One > pilot this year had a record claim rejected because he had no Sporting > Licence. You pay $10 and renew every 2 years. > A pilot can only hold one Sporting Licence, so for example if you already > hold one issued by Australia, you fly records and International Competitions > as a representative of Australia. You can’t compete in the French Team, if > you hold an FAI Sporting Licence issued by Australia. In other words, the FAI > Sporting Licence is dependent on your Nationality or Residence. > Competitions: > The use of the word ‘competition licence’ is confusing, when it refers to the > FAI Sporting Licence. It was a requirement of the insurance company providing > liability insurance to competition organisers, as evidence of pilots’ > competence, and perhaps in everyday speech it sounds simpler to say > ‘competition licence’. It appears now that the insurer is happy to accept a > GPC for competitions in Australia. > Pam > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter > Champness > Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 7:33 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses > > I agree with the OPs Panel. The International Competition Licence was never > necessary and should not have been adopted for domestic competition. The > Glider Pilot Certificate has some merit and I personally am very happy to > adopt that for our competitions. It is a lot more comprehensive than the old > Silver badge. > > What happens if you fly a potential record flight and you don't have an > International Competition Licence. Can you apply for it retrospectively? > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Adam Woolley <[email protected]> wrote: > A timely question Don, > > I think the comp license has now been replaced by a GPC. > > > Cheers, > WPP > > > > On 21 Aug 2014, at 18:28, Don Woodward <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > G'day all, Jen and I have just spent the last hour searching the web for > > the address to send your competition license to to get it renewed but we've > > failed. Can someone please assist and remind me of the postal address? > > > > Regards > > Don Woodward > > _______________________________________________ > > Aus-soaring mailing list > > [email protected] > > To check or change subscription details, visit: > > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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