Ulrich
I'll respond using your numbering format: 1/. You ask that I "...provide evidence as due diligence in your position would require". The evidence is based in the fact that a CASA Licence is an ICAO recognised licence, and that the requirements for grant of CASA's (ICAO) Glider Pilot Licence is written into Legislation. The Requirements for grant of glider pilot licences is, as I previously mentioned to Ron Sanders, in the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998, subparagraph 61.1540, which states "The applicant must hold a pilot certificate that: 2(a) "is granted by a recreational aviation administration organisation that administers glider activities; and 2 (b) is granted on the basis of the applicant meeting competency standards that are at least equivalent to the competency standards for the glider pilot licence mentioned in the Part 61 Manual of Standards." The only organisation referred to at 2(a) that currently exists is the GFA. The Certificate to which the regulations refer is the GPC, as this is the only GFA issued certificate that CASA recognises as meeting the standards at 2(b). 2/. It is envisaged that the logbook endorsement will be dropped in the future, as we plan to move to recording endorsements on the GPC. At the present time there are still many pilots holding a L1 I/O endorsement issued prior to the GPC who have not applied for a glider pilot certificate, so the logbook endorsement has been retained for the time being. 3/. Competition entry standards are set by the Sports Committee. If the Sports Committee require all entrants to hold a GPC as per the earlier email, then a Foreign Pilot will also need to hold one. regards Christopher Thorpe Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 264 489) M: <about:blank> +61 4 1447 6151 | E: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] | w: <http://www.g/> www.g <http://glidingaustralia.org/> lidingaustralia.org <http://au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/> au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 10:10 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Hi Chris, Many thanks for the quick reply. However, I am not sure where in my post I was spreading misinformation but please correct me where I am wrong. With regard to your statement 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. please provide evidence as due diligence in your position would require. The references given in reply to Ron Sanders’ post do not even mention ICAO compliance. E.g. the CASA booklet only says ”… This license may be recognised by foreign aviation authorities for Australian pilots wishing to compete in gliding competitions overseas.” And let me emphasis the word “MAY”. You also state 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). The referenced paragraph says: “… The GPC recognises that the pilot has been trained and tested to the full extent of the GPC training syllabus and is therefore entitled to be approved to operate a glider within the privileges and limitations of the syllabus items as notified by pilot logbook endorsements.” So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO standard, the privileges and limitations depend on the log book endorsements (not the GPC). I could imagine that for some clubs and CFIs the legal liabilities arising from MOSP 2, paragraph 13.1.2 (“The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator privileges is responsible for that person’s operations, even when the person is operating independently”) may be considered too high a risk exposure in this day and age so that they may wish to restrict the privileges by such logbook endorsements. So I don’t see how you can (more or less publicly) make the above assertion. 3. does not directly answer my question but I take this to mean that overseas pilots will need to obtain a GPC to compete in Australia(?). 5. is great to know. I hope the GPL really gets off the ground this time and is not postponed last minute again like last time. Regards, Ulrich From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Thorpe Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 18:52 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes To dispel some of the misinformation written about the GPC: 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). 3. Foreign pilots can readily convert an overseas issued ICAO compliant licence to the GPC (refer the <http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Ops/foreignpilots.html> GFA web site for details). 4. This year, Mal Read (CASA) and I have assisted several Australian pilots convert their GPC to an overseas ICAO licence. Granted this was not necessarily an easy thing to do given the current EASA regulatory environment. 5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider Pilot Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition. Regards Christopher Thorpe Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 264 489) M: <about:blank> +61 4 1447 6151 | E: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] | w: <http://www.g/> www.g <http://glidingaustralia.org/> lidingaustralia.org <http://au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/> au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Picking up from Michael Scutter: Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting license and the GPC for their purposes? Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as equivalent/superior? If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license?) Will the points of a competitor in an Australian National Championship who only holds a GPC but no FAI Sporting license be recognised for the FAI/IGC Pilot Rankings? To my knowledge the GPC is not ICAO compliant nor recognised anywhere overseas. I guess that will have to wait until the CASA GPL finally gets off the ground. The way I read the MOSP, the GPC in practice merely means that the holder has a C certificate and may have been trained according to the ‘new’ rearranged syllabus and to Level 1 independent operator standard (but does not necessarily hold the L1 IO rating!). In the meantime our pilots who want to compete overseas are still on their own in the battle with foreign bureaucracies to obtain an ICAO compliant license from wherever this is easier or quicker in their circumstances (UK, US, Czech Republic…) on the basis of the C certificate – good luck to anyone attempting that based on a GPC. Wasn’t that the primary issue that the GPC was supposed to fix? The emperor has no clothes! Ulrich From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pam Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 10:35 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses Records: You must have an FAI Sporting Licence before you make a record attempt. One pilot this year had a record claim rejected because he had no Sporting Licence. You pay $10 and renew every 2 years. A pilot can only hold one Sporting Licence, so for example if you already hold one issued by Australia, you fly records and International Competitions as a representative of Australia. You can’t compete in the French Team, if you hold an FAI Sporting Licence issued by Australia. In other words, the FAI Sporting Licence is dependent on your Nationality or Residence. Competitions: The use of the word ‘competition licence’ is confusing, when it refers to the FAI Sporting Licence. It was a requirement of the insurance company providing liability insurance to competition organisers, as evidence of pilots’ competence, and perhaps in everyday speech it sounds simpler to say ‘competition licence’. It appears now that the insurer is happy to accept a GPC for competitions in Australia. Pam From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 7:33 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses I agree with the OPs Panel. The International Competition Licence was never necessary and should not have been adopted for domestic competition. The Glider Pilot Certificate has some merit and I personally am very happy to adopt that for our competitions. It is a lot more comprehensive than the old Silver badge. What happens if you fly a potential record flight and you don't have an International Competition Licence. Can you apply for it retrospectively? On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Adam Woolley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: A timely question Don, I think the comp license has now been replaced by a GPC. Cheers, WPP > On 21 Aug 2014, at 18:28, Don Woodward <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > G'day all, Jen and I have just spent the last hour searching the web for the > address to send your competition license to to get it renewed but we've > failed. Can someone please assist and remind me of the postal address? > > Regards > Don Woodward > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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